In the UK there have been 44 thrombocytopenia reactions following Pfizer (1 death). There have been 93 thrombocytopenia reactions following AstraZeneca (2 deaths).
No public data about whether either vaccine was given in disproportionate amounts to those already at risk of such a reaction.
Can’t really be interpreted like that. Comparison are not A:B. Different demographics given different vaccines. Plus association of persons death and vaccine is weak (correlation vs causation). Many if not most will have no underlying connectivity to the vaccine. Simply coincidence. Or change in behaviour as getting vaccinated.
Despite different approaches, vaccines share the same basic premise. Using Covid spike protien trigger an immune response. I think it’s unlikely only one (and no other) vaccine triggers an autoimmune response. (If that is the mechanism)
You would also have to say, those people would likely have died if that had caught Covid.
Its speculation of course. But no one knows. However it is strange.
An autoimmune response makes sense to me. I have one and from that perspective the vaccine, any vaccine was a slight concern for me but having spoken to people and my consultant etc. it was clear that the risk was small and catching Covid was a far bigger one.
I’d be interested to see a report on it if they ever get to the bottom of why it happens and those that are most at risk from it.
of course as with many autoimmune diseases many people wont know they have them which makes any pre vaccine testing difficult.
Only got as far as that. With the order of magnitude difference there’s something going on and there should be a response.
This is my problem with the tottally pro vaccine lobby it’s all covered up. AZ should have reacted to this by now, at least indicared they are acting.
I’ll read on when my disgust has wained.
Its far too early to talk about risks of these side-effects. They haven’t even reached a point of determining if there’s a relationship between vaccine and potential side effect yet, let alone determining why it’s happening mostly in a subset of the population. Is it happening to mostly under 55’s? Why? Is it even related to age or something else?Lifestyle? Vaccine + oral contraceptive?
There is limited AZ data in under 55’s. With the UK planning to partly shift to Moderna and needing their AZ portion for second doses, and many other countries already avoiding inoculations in the potential at-risk categories, I’m not sure how much we will fill that data gap in the short term.
The data you linked to should at least be giving cause for concern, it’s not just the clotting other points are indicating severe internal damage to a number of people.
AZ should take these warning signs seriously. Bogging it off as safe and better than not being vaccinated could lead to disasterous publicity and they are already in a very weak communications scenario.
Ignoring signs like this has caused a lot of damage in the past to pharmaceutical companies just because they can get away with it.
BTW it might not be the active ingredient that you keep pushig as them (the vaccines being the same) there’s the adjuvants and those Pfizer use are very different to what AZ use.
I haven’t the knowledge to dispute the spike protien stuff being an effective arguement however my instinct is to think the different vaccines don’t use exactly the same protien sequences from the spike or the same ‘carrying body’ (for want of a better description).
Just looking at the data quickly there was much to set off alarm bells for me yet I manage to quell that to concern; Perhaps you should think about toning down as well?
There is not a single pharma company that just puts a product on the market and then ignores real world data. Pharmacovigilance is an issue taken very seriously.
I think sometimes adjuvants are confused for a general term for any vaccine component that isn’t the principal ingredient, when in fact it is a specific sort of ingredient that has a very specific function, and they are not required in most of the newer vaccine approaches.