Added the relevant metric. For example, I don’t think anyone really believes that the number of daily new cases in the UK is the same as in India. And there are many other countries that are similarly under reporting for various reasons, not least their lower levels of testing.
Fair point although still useful to compare to other EU countries for example.
Then again, as mentioned above areas in South America and Africa are probably really in a mess.
But India has Ivermectin… 
Compared to other european countries it would appear that the UK are doing something wrong!
Indeed but then you’re not comparing like with like.
This is the logical order.
Total No. of Tests.
- UK 277,951,515 2. Russia 181,800,000. 3. France 129,298,105. 4. Italy 85,973.261 5. Germany 70,379,237 6. Spain 60,618,810 7. Poland 20,071,865 8. Ukraine 12,160,175
Tests/million.
- UK 2. France 3. Italy 4. Spain 5. Russia 6. Germany 7. Poland 8. Ukraine
No. of detected cases.
- Russia 2. UK 3. France 4. Spain 5. Italy 6. Germany 7. Poland 8. Ukraine
Cases/million
- France 2. Spain 3. UK 4. Poland 5. Italy 6. Ukraine 7. Russia 8. Germany
% tests that are positive
- Ukraine 18.94%, Poland 2. 14.41%, 3. Spain 8.07%, 4. Germany 5.73%, 5. Italy 5.33% 6. France 5.30%, 7. Russia 3.89%, UK 2.54%
Total No. of deaths
- Russia, 2. UK, 3. Italy, 4. France, 5. Germany, 6. Spain, 7. Poland, 8. Ukraine
Deaths/million
- Italy, 2. Poland, 3. UK, 4. Spain, 5. France, 6. Russia, 7. Ukraine, 8. Germany
% Deaths/test
- Ukraine 0.45%, 2. Poland 0.38%, 3. Italy 0.15%, 4. Spain 0.14%, 5. Germany 0.13%, 6. Russia 0.10%, 7. France 0.09%, 8. UK 0.05%
% Deaths/case
- Italy 2.8%, 2. Russia 2.7%, 3. Poland 2.6%, 4. Ukraine 2.3%, 5. Germany 2.3%, 6. UK 1.9%, 7. France 1.7%, 8. Spain 1.7%.
[Will finish adding the numbers later but this might provide some talking points. All figures from worldometer]
That’s a bit rich coming from you … and then you go and use culmuative numbers and stats with no comparison to the present which surely and really is what we are talking about. So much so I’m surprised that Belgium didn’t get mentionned in your reply (which is the country possibly with the nearest demographics to the UK.
I just think your far too non objective and protective of the UK here. Using accumulative figures that don’t reflect the current situation, for what … some feel good factor?
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I’m just using the figures from worldometer 
I’ve delved further into them to try and make them even more comparable but that isn’t enough for you?
You want, what, numbers to reflect the present? You mean, the last 3 months, 1 month, 1 week, what? If that’s what you want, there’s nothing stopping you from sourcing them and presenting them here. Fuck me.
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i explained my position in my previous post. If that’s not enough for you, tant pis!
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What, this?
Oh yes, your usual forensic analysis.
Then you complain that I then proliferate my post with actual data. But presumably it’s the wrong kind of data? You complain that I’m using absolute numbers when, in fact, less than 25% of my post deals with absolute numbers. I deliberately delved into the numbers to present something that is more comparable.
You complain that it’s not reflective of the ‘present’ situation but then decline to define what period is the relevant parameter for defining ‘the present’.
Your position is incoherent, undefined and flawed. Do better.
Um… dont you do more tests if people are symptomatic?
I dont see how this is a 100% valid argument to be honest. Logically less cases, less tests or vice versa more cases, more tests
Which bit, there’s a lot in my post and it’s not particularly clear what bit you’re focusing on?
The UK does A LOT of testing. Way more than any other European country. As such, it is likely capturing a far higher % of actual cases so the numbers of positive cases are likely to be far more accurately reported in the UK than elsewhere.
Then you see that of the positive cases, the UK has one of the lowest death rates. 1.9% of UK positive cases result in death, compared with 2.3% in Germany, 2.8% in Italy. Does that mean that the UK has a much better healthcare system than Germany or Italy or that, maybe, Germany and Italy aren’t capturing all of their case numbers (including those who are asymptomatic)?
One can just look at the respective curves to see what is going on, it really isn’t quantum science stuff!
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Curves based on cases or deaths? And over what period? You still haven’t said what you consider constitutes the “present”.
It really isn’t important if you have some intelligence!
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Question is then does the UK have more testing capacity, which I believe it does have.
Worth noting that I’m assuming that anyone, anywhere in Europe, if they have symptoms are getting tested. If that’s the case which seems a logical one there are 2 scenarios that fit your argument.
- there are people in Europe (say) that aren’t coming forward despite having symptoms
- The UK is testing more people in various scenarios whether they have symptoms or not.
I’d agree that UK is likely to be doing more i.e testing healthcare staff etc. but the alternative of course is that the UK simply has more cases. Somewhere in the middle probably but lets not ignore the fact that UK cases are very high yet again and still going up.
I need to find it but there’s apparently an Israelli report that suggest that having been double jabbed has no effect on transmission or contraction of Covid. Yes symptoms etc. are less but it still spreads as it has done.
No idea where Worldometer gets its numbers from. As for the testing numbers comparisons it’s well known that this is mostly comparing apples to oranges. For example many countries don’t count rapid antigen tests in their official statistics (if one of those is positive, there needs to be PCR confirmation). Then there’s the whole issue of how deaths are counted - for example that 28 day limit some countries have.
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That’s right, but worth bearing in mind that Israel is pretty much all Pfizer whereas a good chunk of the UK is AZ.
Or maybe the world beating vaccination programme has had an impact?
Or maybe the UK has already done a stellar job of killing off loads of it’s vulnerable, so at this stage of the pandemic there are simply less people in the danger category?
Could be loads of reasons.
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Indeed there could. That’s kind of my point.
80% of Covid deaths in Germany since July have occured more than 5 weeks after positive infection. Afaik they wouldn’t even be included in the UK numbers after 28 days.
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