Good. Let the idiots die.
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It seems that there’s quite a bit of momentum behind Ivermectin.
Is there any actual hope that it helps? I’ve personally not seen anything other that stories of a really dodgy paper on it.
I agree re total cases etc. but by the same token we all know that UK figures are deliberately distorted as well. It hurts me to say this but the cold hard fact is the UK is handling the virus very badly despite having a lot of advantages, early vaccines, early testing etc. What is going wrong ?
My 4 yo great grand daughter started school in September and already someone in her class has Covid .
How can a wealthy , nation with high Hygiene standards and a reasonably intelligent population have the worst Covid problems in Europe ?
The only answer I can think of is weak leadership making decisions designed to make them popular rather than decisions that work.
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Worst Covid problems in Europe?!
On what metric?
UK deaths per million - 2,037
EU deaths per million - 1,752
Not sure if it’s that dramatic a difference, but it looks like the UK could have done better.
Right…and from your link…
| World[a] | 622 | 4,898,668 | 240,680,365 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Peru | 5,989 | 199,816 | 2,189,165 |
| Bosnia and Herzegovina | 3,404 | 11,110 | 243,914 |
| North Macedonia | 3,332 | 6,940 | 197,091 |
| Bulgaria | 3,229 | 22,274 | 540,619 |
| Montenegro | 3,221 | 2,023 | 137,769 |
| Hungary | 3,150 | 30,351 | 833,115 |
| Czechia | 2,848 | 30,545 | 1,708,925 |
| Brazil | 2,819 | 603,282 | 21,644,464 |
| San Marino | 2,675 | 91 | 5,473 |
| Argentina | 2,536 | 115,666 | 5,272,551 |
| Colombia | 2,474 | 126,865 | 4,981,532 |
| Georgia | 2,379 | 9,468 | 662,334 |
| Slovakia | 2,352 | 12,846 | 437,385 |
| Paraguay | 2,245 | 16,209 | 460,322 |
| Slovenia | 2,231 | 4,638 | 308,136 |
| Belgium | 2,213 | 25,747 | 1,279,869 |
| Romania | 2,184 | 41,781 | 1,457,260 |
| Mexico | 2,183 | 284,381 | 3,757,056 |
| Croatia | 2,179 | 8,896 | 427,914 |
| Italy | 2,179 | 131,541 | 4,717,899 |
| United States | 2,175 | 724,317 | 44,933,336 |
| Tunisia | 2,102 | 25,098 | 710,906 |
| United Kingdom | 2,037 | 138,997 | 8,488,685 |
| Lithuania | 2,022 | 5,439 | 368,641 |
| Poland | 2,013 | 76,112 | 2,939,590 |
| Chile | 1,957 | 37,609 | 1,670,750 |
| Armenia | 1,946 | 5,778 | 281,991 |
| Spain | 1,860 | 86,974 | 4,984,386 |
| Ecuador | 1,839 | 32,899 | 513,026 |
| Moldova | 1,799 | 7,241 | 316,529 |
| Portugal | 1,779 | 18,097 | 1,079,806 |
| European Union[b] | 1,752 | 783,520 | 38,906,837 |
Pretty sure that the bolded countries are in Europe. Lithuania is also now above the UK.
I agree that the original statement was inaccurate, but does the UK want to be compared with Bosnia and Bulgaria (no offence)?
One would expect the 6th or 7th richest country in the world to have a significantly better standard of healthcare than them. Belgium and Italy have also done badly it seems.
I’m not a statistical wizard like yourself, and I don’t know whether 1,750 is significantly better than 2,000 when we’re dealing with something this complex.
I don’t think it makes much sense to treat the EU as one entity when it comes to Covid-19. The measures and policies are/were vastly different, basically the entire spectrum possible.
I think our healthcare system has responded extremely well. If you look at our case fatality rate it is one of the lowest in Europe.
You have a 1.63% chance of dying from covid in the UK if you were infected with covid.
That compares favourably with other major European countries:
France it’s 1.64%
Portugal it’s 1.68%
Spain it’s 1.74%
Belgium 2%
EU 2.01%
World 2.03%
Europe 2.04%
Germany 2.16%
Poland 2.59%
Italy 2.79%
What the UK has done less well is limit the number of cases themselves although I suspect that the UK is capturing a much higher % of cases than any other country with a population of over 20 million. It also bore the brunt of the Kent variant that hit last winter.
You’d have to factor in things like how old the population is as well. e.g. Germany and Italy have a much older population than the UK.
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I didn’t think the UK was in Europe anymore.
Both you ad @costared cant have it both ways 
When did the UK leave the continent of Europe?
Huge if true.
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Isn’t it still part of Pangea?
You’d certainly wouldn’t think it was an island, if you looked at Covid only.
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I’ll let Boris answer that one.
Indeed. Theoretically natural advantages that the UK did not use to its advantage. Obviously, there’s that issue with freedom of movement and countries being interconnected, as well as the UK being a hub of international migration regardless of its geographical features.
But you won’t get any disagreement from me in terms of whether we did enough, quickly enough, when it comes to managing our borders.
Talking about Germany, unfortunately parts of East Germany are in for another rough winter imo. Low vaccination rate, an even older population than the already old average in Germany, plus border regions. Hope I’m wrong, but it seems pretty inevitable. Maybe AfD can save them though.
Vaccination rate is pretty shite in some South Western regions as well, like parts of Bavaria.
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