I dont think that’s 100% right. The UK’s 2nd wave peak was early January at 89 cases per 100k. From then it was falling until until May. By my eyes the “trough” not really occurring in mid April. By mid to late May we were on a serious up curve again.
Both sides playing politics with masks… it’s pathetic 
Did you see the pics leaked from the Labour conference of late night social events. No masks…
I didn’t.
You’re probably right on the politicking front, but to my mind there’s only one “right” to this. Wear masks!!
I would also say that there’s mass apathy across the UK with regard to PPE and general things like social distancing etc. This is pretty normal having seen a huge amount of this across construction sites across the years. Relax a little on your PPE monitoring and people “forget” and simply take the piss. Basically you need to continually push the message. England went 100% the other way whiles Wales seems to have just relaxed too far on it all. Both poor.
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I was looking at the FT interactive tool. To be fair we’re probably debating apples and pears.
The difference in the scale of cases looks a lot more dramatic on the FT website. The difference in numbers is 5 cases per 100k looking at your date and mine. I’ve taken the lower dip from April onward.
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Not good is it? No windows either.
I don’t think a range where cases have moved between 30k and 45k/day suggests a flat line. Only that this range has remained fairly constant since mid July on a 7-day rolling average. There were 47k/day on 20 July and then dropped to just under 30k/day by mid August, rose again to around 40k by early September, dropped again mid September, then started to rise towards the 45k/day again we’re seeing now.
Yet in that video there are great concerns that you seem to have over looked.
The guy says ‘I have covid … and we threw the kitchen sink at it’ then gave a non exhaustive list that included ivermectin. Then he gets portrayed as intelligent.
Later ivermectin is defended as it won a nobel prize as an anti-parasitic drug - not an anti-viral drug. It’s all using the publics ignorance.
The media used an angle not a lie, as such, that also plays on the publics ignorance, where’s the difference?
As for promoting the vaccine well that is well known, it has been WHOs position since small pox. Prevention is better than cure. It is THE public health stance particularly for viral diseases for decades. Innoculation is a very effective course against virale diseases. It protects everyone, helps prevent mutations …
The stance 'give me a cure for it so I can ‘catch it’ is very selfish. I understand that central governments ‘insisting’ on a vaccine is very ‘controlling’ then again we are quite lucky that this is possible. Otherwise this disease would rolll from one community to the next with little to stop it.
I am not having a go at you as such, I do understand. I fucking had a disease that the medical institution is in denial over (and it is a bacterial disease easily treated with right antibiotics). However I understand why the WHO and governments are pushing innoculation in the form of a vaccine and why certain media are too, it’s common sense. Trying to stop people pushing ivermectin onto old frail people, even if it upsets younger healthier people, is also common sense (many old people will not survive a treatment with ivermectin. Also ivermectin is useless for advanced cases of covid (as have been many other examples. The best solution does seem to be the collective one that has been shown to greatly reduce the risk of death.
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Isn’t this rollercoaster a concern?
What is behind it?
P.S glad you have identified it!
Yeah, good points.
You cannot call referring to it as a horse dewormer a lie because it is in fact a horse dewormer. the fact it is also used for other things, including indications in humans does not change that. You might argue that it is not helpful in a conversation about Rogan seeing as he got his under Rx from a doctor, but there is important context. This is a drug that has been irresponsibly promoted as a therapy without evidence to support such a claim, and done so in ways that can be considered illegal. This story has been pushed by people with political and commercial investment in poking the establishment in the eye, and so has led to people who identify with such politics taking it upon themselves to obtain it from vet supply stores and dosing themselves with horse dosing instructions. So now you have the “intellectual thought leader” of this demographic getting sick and publicly reporting taking an absurd cocktail of unapproved Rxs to treat himself. The only difference between him and the people who went to the vet supply store is money to shop for the right physician and to pay for the meds. Given that context I think it clarifies the point of the story to refer to it the way CNN did.
I find it interesting that with Ivermectin you have many lines to the public debate that are objectionable. There is the often illegal and at best grossly inappropriate public advocacy for a unapproved therapy without evidence of its effectiveness, and even in the face of data showing it doesnt work. There is the angle that this message has been pushed by people as an alternative to established mitigation measures. There’s the angle that the people pushing it are doing so for self serving political or economic reasons. There is the fact that the only clinical data supportive of its use is the result of fraud. And then then you’ve got people referring to a horse dewormer as a horse dewormer. And not only is only one those objected to by Jon, the first of these 3 is lauded as “independent thinking”.
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New Zealand has gone down the vaccine certificate route.
In short in you want to go to a cafe, bar, cinema, stadium, events, gym, barber you will need a vaccine certificate. Those businesses that do not enforce this, will not be able to operate on different alert levels. They will also not be eligible for any financial support.
National lockdowns will be a thing of the past, and it will now be down at a district health board level (like different counties) in a new traffic light system. This system comes into place once 90% of people aged 12+ are double vaccinated each county (projected starting in Auckland in early December).
The message is clear, get vaccinated or you will not have normal freedoms. Essentail services (supermarkets and pharmacies) don’t require certificates. Normal retail where close contact not required will not need to apply vaccine certificates, but they will soon have the optionality to also enforce it.
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WTAF???
This is patently and obviously a video about how CNN has deliberately portrayed a medication as just a horse de-wormer and not as a treatment prescribed worldwide over a billion times, by Doctors, for the treatment of human diseases. The inventor of this drug won the Nobel prize for inventing this drug.
Russell Brand at the beginning of the video states that he is no expert regarding disease and he is not supporting any therapies of any kind. I say the same thing at the start of my post - that I am not an advocate for any treatments and have followed the prevailing vaccination advice.
Rogans treatment was prescribed by a Doctor. If you are so dead set against this treatment should you not be railing more against the US medical establishment that allows and prescribes this treatment, as opposed to railing against the patient? Rogan has, many times, had guests on his show that are strong and vocal supporters of the vaccination program. As am I.
Rogan in the video calls out CNN for their portrayal of Ivermectin. His obvious discomfort is that CNN paints him as a dumb hillbilly willing to take horse medicine. How, from a media and truth perspective, is that remotely reasonable? This is a News organisation - supposedly there to report the facts, not have angles, agenda, and bias. The public’s perception of Ivermectin is that it is for horses - not in any way for humans. CNN glaringly omits this important information in their report and perpetuates the misconception. As Brand says - “If they lie about this, what else are they lying about?”
The whole intent of my post (and previous posts on this subject) has been to highlight the one-eyed reporting of the medical response - which Brand illustrates as a comfortable arrangement between Big Business, Government and the Media.
Forgive me for wanting to explore and understand how the media manipulates and directs public opinion. I will curb my yearning for “independent thought.” Those red-neck hillbillies and hippies voicing these dangerous ideas should be marginalised and vilified as if they were, oh I don’t know, disabled, or immigrants, or belonging to the wrong religion. Now who do we know that can paint that picture for us and get it out to the general public? Ah yes - the press - they do a great job in marginalising minority groups and opinions.
I’m sorry - I cannot understand my post for you - At no point have I advocated the use of Ivermectin for any affliction whatsoever. The video I posted does not advocate in any way the use of Ivermectin. The video is about press manipulation and lies, and the suppression of any alternate debate surrounding this issue. Your attempt to paint me as some sort of advocate for Ivermectin is misguided and inaccurate at best.
It is telling that YouTube has allowed the Russell Brand video to be published, given the restrictions placed upon the reporting of the Covid medical response. YouTube has correctly realised that this video is about media manipulations- not about the efficacy or support of any treatments, which is exactly what I said in my original post. If it were condoning alternative treatments it would be taken down and removed from public viewing. It hasn’t been. Do you think examining, and calling out the media is now something to be criticised?
Brand and Rogan have millions of followers who are interested in hearing divergent opinions - I guess though, in this case, some would prefer to follow Orwells mantra, “Ignorance is Strength.”
A reminder - Play the ball not the man.
Actually agree that the media is complicit in stifling debate
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Thanks for posting that - a very interesting article.
I came across this article today - again what we do not know about this disease far outweighs what we do - so it is good to keep an open mind and attitude about it. I heard a couple of Doctors on the radio mostly agreeing with the below article recently. It may be that it is both.
Even given the above, it is undoubtedly still the best possible course of action to get vaccinated - the evidence for the efficacy of this is pretty much indisputable. This article also states exactly that.
Good to see that people and scientists are keeping an open mind about this awful disease. You definitely need to closely examine where you get your information from.
Interesting thoughts from the guy who invented the mRNA, states that it was rushed etc and no one under the age of 65 unless morbidly obese or having a compromised auto immune system should have been given the jab
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No offence but I’ve looked at media bias fact check on the two outlets on the articles you’ve linked and the first comes out as “questionable” the second is one step up from tin foil hat.
I don’t doubt there’s a discussion to be had on Ivermectin, particularly how it’s built up such a following and what actually happened in India. Unfortunately the paper that was submitted on that was poorly written, contained errors and was withdrawn.
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Its still the same response from me.
Its one thing to debate about what Covid19 is. Whether anyone believes its “just a flu”, whether they believe its a political tool, whether the vaccine is effective or not, whether certain governments are pushing certain agendas, sure go ahead and debate that.
BUT. People who push those debates in the direction of using unknown or medication with no studies to prove and to put things into their own bodies, being irresponsible in pushing such information cannot be tolerated. This is not being about open minded or not, this is being evil, stupid and irresponsible.
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