Yep, I have no problem with this. If you choose not to protect yourself then you bear the cost of the consequences. You don’t want the jab then wear medical grade PPE. If you don’t more fool (and much poorer) you.
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imagine the fuckin uproar if that happened here. Alberta would go broke! LOL
This is a horrible situation. On balance of risk its the right thing to do but the numbers make staggering reading. Something like 100k staff across the NHS according to the radio on the way into work this morning. That will come down but still a huge number.
I know someone who this will directly affect. I can’t discuss the topic with this person because she is a strong anti vaxer and believes all the conspiracy theories. Yet she is a frontline worker in the NHS, the next few months are going to be interesting.
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That would make me rather actively discuss it with her. That’s like an Atheist priest hosting mass at church.
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Gotta say, I’ve got very low tolerance for those frontline health workers not getting vaccinated. Nobody would put up with them refusing to wash their hands when dealing with patients. Same thing for me.
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Horrible position.
The mask thing is the one aspect that I find really bizarre with these people. They’d fully support a surgeon wearing a mask and PPE during a procedure yet cant extend the same logic to Covid.
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One thing that has become clear in the past year and a half is that the nursing profession is a festering sewer of unscientific beliefs, anti-vaccine in particular. In Ontario, the nursing union fought tooth and nail against a vaccine mandate for hospitals, opposing the doctors’ and hospital associations. Nursing education needs a serious overhaul in many countries.
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Of all sectors you would think that nursing and care homes in the UK would be the most immune to that line of thinking.
I cant understand how it isn’t.
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A friend pointed me toward the nursing curriculum here, in particular for the lower-qualified 2 year designation. It is, as one would expect, quite practical in focus. There really is not much in the way of real science, almost nothing in the realm of statistics, and a heavy emphasis on direct observation and response. While that a certain logic, it does nothing to develop understanding of public health problems which have the characteristics of a dilemma.
A clear example was the authorization of the use of Astra-Zeneca in Canada, and then the subsequent withdrawal. It was authorized as we entered a third wave, and vaccines in general were scarce. It was used heavily as we went through the fourth wave. That saved lives, it was a sound public health decision, the logic was correct. Community incidence was high, there was a real danger. AZ was subsequently withdrawn as the mRNA vaccines became widely available, and community incidence became very low. At that point, the cost-benefit versus risks shifted, and that decision was also correct. But many nurses seemed incapable of understanding that both those decisions could be correct.
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For me it’s even more basic than that. Nurses, care home workers, doctors etc. have seen Covid first hand and yet are willing not to do anything to protect themselves or their loved ones from it. Seems weird.
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Or their patients. Have they forgotten the Hippocratic oath?
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What the fuck are people doing working in the NHS, when the don’t believe in a key, proven medical intervention?
It’s a builder not trusting bricks.
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As an engineer that’s my job
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can’t teach stupid
As Arminius suggested above, even the most in depth nursing education is light on science (and there are a lot of nurses who have a lot less education than this), but more importantly very light on understanding. This is a bit of a trivialization of the issue, but if you think of the overlap in content of the education of a Dr and nurse the difference is in whether they are taught to be able to recall things or understand them.
The result is they do a lot of stuff without any understanding of why it works and that can lead to tendency towards magical thinking. Once someone is there, it’s pretty easy to veer off towards pretty anti-science perspectives.
The other issue is they will often spend a lot of their time doing stuff that doesn’t have positive outcomes. That can result in a lot of skepticism in medical orthodoxy. When you couple that with a lack of understanding go of why the orthodoxy is so, again that leads to some pretty bizarre perspectives. Honestly, spend time with nurses. Outside of white girl granola yoga enthusiasts, you’ll struggle to find another demographic who lean so much on “holistic” nonsense like “toxins” and essential oils.
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Fairly significant overlap between those two demographics too.
I’m going to make it my business to spend a lot more time with nurses from now on. You know, in the interests of research.
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Well, and education, obviously.
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