Seriously, the mass immigration in Germany that has been the fuel for the right wing has fuck all to do with the type of lax immigration standards you’re talking about in other countries. Actually Germany is notorious for NOT accepting degrees and job qualifications, which is a real issue.
And illegal immigration is a fairly contentious term when talking about asylum seekers from Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine etc. Which is what this is about, to a lesser extent immigration from EU countries, which isn’t illegal either (at least not per se).
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I’m speaking from the other side as per my work experience.
None of those guys who I’ve sent abroad on study visas would have really clicked on in the Indian ecosystem.
My views are as a person looking on from the outside as to why your system is failing.
And there will be right wing retards who will use this.
Seriously, the heated discussion here is not in the slightest about Indians coming to Germany on visas.
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While I do have information on the German ecosystem. I’ve worked mainly on the US / Canada side of things.
But from what I know , there’s nothing stopping a guy who’s educated in an EU country to work in a job which doesn’t match his educational qualification.
That I do believe is the biggest failure in the system.
It’s not about Indians per se. It’s about immigration.
Ever wonder why people are upset about immigrants taking over their jobs. It’s because they are taking over the blue collar jobs. Not the white collar ones.
An IT employee coming in. No one really gives a fuck.
Get the same guy to do a plumber job ?
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For the record, study visa are defined as non-immigrant authorizations, as in not part of the “immigration” process. I know it seems nit picky, but is part of the detail that is important to get right to not get caught in the sort of crossed wires @Cologne-Liverpool is addressing
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There’s a system which converts those study visas. That’s one of the loopholes
Don’t where to start, really. I’d love to see all those German plumbers who can’t get a job because an immigrant took it. In reality we have a massive shortage of labour in many, many such fields.
No - it is a very hard in Germany to get into jobs without the ‘proper’ degree/job qualification, plus the massive language hurdles. It’s a well documented, everyday life problem here. People who can’t get into a job, because their certificate/degree isn’t accepted in Germany.
The issue that is used by the far right is about people NOT working here, basically migrating into the social system. There are various reasons for that (including those mentioned above, restrictions for asylum seekers etc.). Add a couple of nutjobs doing terror attacks, mix in a bit of islamophobia and the usual racism and here we are.
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It is an independent process that requires the applicant to go through another set of hoops to qualify. The only advantage of having already had the student visa is it puts you in the country where you are searching for a job making it easier to make those connections to get the job offer that would grant you a work authorization. Yes lawyers know how to navigate it, and being in the process can make it all seem like absurd theatre. But it hardly represents the problem with immigration that anyone is wound up about.
For those not paying attention, the TL;DR of the last 20 posts or so is:
Idiot whose relevant experience to the topic seems to be about getting around the very immigration systems which are strict enough to exclude the kind of people being talked about, while ignoring the point (and indeed exemplifying it) being made by @Limiescouse that the discourse around immigration in Germany, Canada, and the US, not to mention, elsewhere, is entirely based around falsehoods divorced from reality.
Active accounts were discovered in English, French, Polish, Turkish and German. Given the impetus of the upcoming German elections, this report focuses on the German-language dataset.
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Even the Protestant and Catholic Church in Germany got together to criticise Merz/CDU for that stupid legislative proposal. It’s a pretty damning, but constructive and detailed critique, worth reading in full. I’m not religious and have many issues with them, but stuff like this deserves some applause imo. Especially when talking about a party that still carries that big ‘C’ in their name.
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https://x.com/annettedittert/status/1884649881752522805
I am really upset and depressed now 
This is so worrying, what a sh*tshow
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What saddens me is that it would probably result in more votes for them, not fewer.
The “mainstream right” in much of Europe are frauds.
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To my German friends, once @Alright_Now_Legend leaves, you’re all welcome at mine in Croydon.
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“To distance himself from CDU and CSU (Christian Democratic Union”) : Jesus changes his last name."
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Or more votes for the AfD
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