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Saudi crown prince said he personally ‘doesn’t care’ about Palestinian issue | Middle East Eye

It’s a click-bait (Atleast the title). But, It’s not very far off how the richer Arab countries are seeing Palestine.

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Not the enemy that is currently exterminating them?

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Yeah. They are just behaving like the war criminals they are.

Hamas/Fatah etc etc are making money claiming to serve Palestinian purposes but in fact harming them.

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This is the point I want to keep making. It’s not just the Israeli government. Although given that the Israeli government has been funding Hamas…

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Ultimately, money talks.
See Starmers rebuke of his transport ministers comments about P&O.
Got to keep the money onside at all costs, principles and “the right thing” go out the window when wealth is threatened

The submissive and collaborative nature of the PA/Fatah/Abbas (it’s basically the same) is definitely helping Israel continue it genocidal war, just as it helped Israel’s encroachment on Palestinian land for the last THREE decades. The PA has a 30,000 strong security forces. What security have they provided to the Palestinians? The fact that the Western governments view it positively is the testament that it’s not a deterrent to Israeli aggression. It’s been over a year since Israel attacked Gaza. During this time Blinken has visited the region 6-7 times (to ensure his muppets are holding the line), but how many times did the PA Foreign Minister visited the regional players?

I don’t think it’s practical to expect Marwan Barghouti to be released in the near future. But I think Riyad Mansour, the Palestine Ambassador to the UN, would be a good alternative.

Just seen on Channel 4 news, Netanyahu telling UN forces to clear out the way.
US sending over 100 military personnel to operate missile defence equipment.

That cunt is a 21st century Adolf Hitler.
The fucking irony

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Some people look at the Holocaust, and think, “Never Again”. Some look at it and think, “Never Again To Us”.

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I personally have no problem with the USA sending in missile defence systems. The 100 US soldiers are being deployed to operate that defence system since it requires a crew of 94.

I hope that the UN doesn’t budge. It’s harder for the West to look the other way when it’s the UN instead of just brown women, children and newborns being obliterated :roll_eyes:.

The UN will probably relent though…

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So long as the aim is to prevent the conflict spreading. Unfortunately, Netanyahou seems intent that it should be perpetual.

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Just utterly disheartened and feeling shitty after seeing school where entire families were sheltering bombed. The school was also a polio vaccination centre.

IDF are “looking into claims”

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When faced with the horror, I think it’s always useful to remember to oneself who the true game-masters are in this. They can tell us whatever they want, but we can easily see through their game: they talk cease-fire, but do in fact everything to entertain the current massacre. Obviously, they receive good money for all the weaponry they deliver to Israel.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Netanyahou and his band of fascists are just a useful pawn, and will be maintained in power as long as they remain useful for them.

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I don’t really think so. For a start, the US supplied 18 billion in military AID to Israel in the past year. That’s military hardware etc. supplied to Israel at the expense of the US taxpayer. To be brutally cynical about it, I don’t think that is even in the interests of the supplying firms. The Israeli military is a demanding customer that attracts a lot of political attention, far more headaches and probably less margin than supplying $18B to the US military. Sure, they will take the business, but they aren’t running the world to make it happen. If they were, Ukraine is the golden opportunity to show their wares.

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It is relevant though when you look at what a lot of the present day defenses of Israel’s actions are.

Words are powerful as the ones that are used to describe a situation frame the default way we think about it. To that point, defenders of Israel have put a lot of energy into rejecting the “colonizer” framing. I get it seems a petty argument, but it is a rhetorical fight to define who has what right to be there (and where). This argument claims that at the founding of modern day Israel the land was roughly 50-50 (it wasn’t, but that is how the argument is fluffed) which ignores a 50 year history of calls to jews colonize the land. The result was the jewish population of the land rose over 100 fold in the first 40 years of the century, almost all of which happened in the second half of that period, after the first world war

There has been a real sea change in Israel over the past 20 years or so of the story it tells about itself and what it requires others to say about it. Today the focus is on their inherent claim to the land via their historical presence, and that requires the pre-war Zionist movement and even the effects of the holocausts to be swept under the rug. Too much focus on that actually draws attention to the fact that it had been 1500 years since they had a significant presence in the land.

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Hold on, you say that Israel aren’t paying for the 18 billions in weaponry? Surely someone pays? If it’s the US taxpayer, then the situation is even more fucked up than what I was thinking, and I can understand that Biden isn’t the most popular figure right now in the US.

But then again, it could be so simple for him: if it’s the US paying for the weaponry and the supplying firms aren’t that much in it, stop handing them arms. But he doesn’t do it, and there must be a reason to it, isn’t it? I don’t believe that it is because of the impending elections btw. He had ample time to act decisively since months, but bar muttering some half-hearted statements about a cease-fire, and at the same time vetoing all UN resolutions trying to actually get there, he has done nothing, apart from continuing to export weaponry.

If you don’t believe that it is for the $$$ (agree that Ukraine is probably more important for the weapon firms), then why does he play hypocrite like that?

The US has had a MoU in place for years that calls for now around $3.8B of military aid. However, in the past year that has been supplemented dramatically.

However, don’t think for a minute that was without the full-throated support of the Republicans. The MAGA crowd may not like support for Ukraine, but they don’t think twice about Israel.

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Israeli soldiers are named and pictured. Palestinian civilians are reduced to numbers in inverted commas. Western media’s dehumanisation has facilitated this genocide

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The mental backflips in this piece are astonishing, but you cannot understand what is happening today without understanding how much this is the prevailing mindset in the US
https://x.com/IChotiner/status/1845910362819875273

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Look, if you show footage of all the dead babies we’ve killed people will think we kill babies. So you need to not show the babies we keep killing otherwise people will think of us as being exactly who we are. And that is blood libel. And by us I mean Israel not the Jews, but yet I am the one who will conflate the two and accuse you of anti-semitism if you engage with my framing.

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My head is spinning trying to process that…

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Save yourself the hassle. People are fuckwits.

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