The Middle East Thread

Anyway, just heard that Italy :it: has placed an arms embargo on Israel :israel:. Not that it matters since USA and Germany provide 95% of the arms. But itā€™s surprising that Italy led by an neo-fascist government would do such a thing.

Italy doesnā€™t supply any arms at all.

These are just the facades that the countries like to do. All to be seen that they are doing something.

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The USā€™s influence in the wahabbi extremist groups has always been there.

Clear as day.

France has also stopped providing Israel with arms since a couple of weeks or so.

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Rip

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I canā€™t believe that twat actually said he was going to turn Lebanon into another Gaza and there was barely a word of protest.

More in that vein here ;

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Read that article this morning and I honestly could not disagree with anything.

The only person who can stop Netanyahu is the next President of the United States. And there is precious little indication that either candidate has the will to do so.

History will not judge them kindly.

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One thing is the will. Iā€™m more in the assumption that Israel is operating with impunity because itā€™s got the blessings of the US and not because the US canā€™t reign Israel in.

Autocorrect again? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Donā€™t know. Itā€™s either that or the fact that my eyes canā€™t stay open.

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Bloody foreigners.

I think the election has curtailed a stronger Democrat stand against Israel. It would be a massive vote loser in America to be seen as not standing with Israel.

If Harris wins I expect a stronger stance on Israel to emerge. Mind you, it wonā€™t be strong enough for most tastes, and it will be too late in the sense that many thousands of Palestinians have already died. :cry:

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This is getting my head in to be honest. Are people there really that stupid? Are they really thinking that Israel can do whatever they want, even if it means obliterating millions of people with the blessings of the US? Would democratic voters really turn away from Harris if the Biden administration took a stronger stand against the current big scale massacre?

I have difficulty to accept that to be honest.

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It is absolutely happening, and not just with Jewish voters - though that is a significant concern in PA.

Harris is losing support in PA for being insufficiently pro-Israel and losing support in Michigan for being pro-Israel. Quite what those Michigan Arab voters think comes next is a bit of a puzzle.

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Indeed. Given how pally Netanyahu and Trump are itā€™s unsurprising that single-issue Israel voters might just favour Trump, but itā€™s mind-blowing that Michigan Arabs might think that thereā€™s a better option than Harris in this race.

FIFY.

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I donā€™t know, if youā€™re a single-issue voter who just wants tax breaks for the rich, itā€™s pretty obvious Trumpā€™s your guy. Or if you want racism to be normalised, white males to take their rightful place at the top of the hierarchical pyramidā€¦

There is a difference already. Harris has said Israel has the right to defend itself. That simple statement gets onside with the mostly pro-Israel country.

But then she said how Israel defends itself is important. This statement is what gives me ground for hope for a stronger response to Israel, if she gets elected.

Many/most students are standing with the Palestinians. Many adults are too. But they are not in the majority in the country and Harris knows that, so to go too strong in curtailing Israel and supporting Palestine, pre election, would be a vote loser in my opinion.

Dearborn, Michigan, is a decent sized city and is majority Arab. Traditionally they would mostly be Democrat but watching what Israel has done to Gaza, and elsewhere, and seeing how little has been done to stop it, will move a lot of them away from voting Democrat this time.

Michigan is a key swing state and it could be consequential in the overall election.

I very much understand their point, but also wish they would look again, as even though the Democrat response has been quite insufficient, Israel will be worse under Trump. The instinct of the GOP is to invite Netanyahu to address Congress. The Democrats donā€™t see him that way at all, and with Harris in power I think a harder line against Israel will emerge.

Howeverā€¦

It wonā€™t be as strong as what most in Western Europe would like to see, and it wonā€™t help the tens of thousands who have already been killed. :slightly_frowning_face:

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Surely, alienating the Muslim voters isnā€™t a good idea for the Democrats either?

Genuine question here, because Iā€™ve no idea: what is the proportion between Muslim voters and Jewish voters? I suppose that it comes down to the swing states with this antiquated voting system? So, Michigan has more Muslim voters, and PA more Jewish voters? And in the other swing states?