I canât believe that twat actually said he was going to turn Lebanon into another Gaza and there was barely a word of protest.
More in that vein here ;
Read that article this morning and I honestly could not disagree with anything.
The only person who can stop Netanyahu is the next President of the United States. And there is precious little indication that either candidate has the will to do so.
History will not judge them kindly.
One thing is the will. Iâm more in the assumption that Israel is operating with impunity because itâs got the blessings of the US and not because the US canât reign Israel in.
Autocorrect again? 
Donât know. Itâs either that or the fact that my eyes canât stay open.
I think the election has curtailed a stronger Democrat stand against Israel. It would be a massive vote loser in America to be seen as not standing with Israel.
If Harris wins I expect a stronger stance on Israel to emerge. Mind you, it wonât be strong enough for most tastes, and it will be too late in the sense that many thousands of Palestinians have already died. 
This is getting my head in to be honest. Are people there really that stupid? Are they really thinking that Israel can do whatever they want, even if it means obliterating millions of people with the blessings of the US? Would democratic voters really turn away from Harris if the Biden administration took a stronger stand against the current big scale massacre?
I have difficulty to accept that to be honest.
It is absolutely happening, and not just with Jewish voters - though that is a significant concern in PA.
Harris is losing support in PA for being insufficiently pro-Israel and losing support in Michigan for being pro-Israel. Quite what those Michigan Arab voters think comes next is a bit of a puzzle.
Indeed. Given how pally Netanyahu and Trump are itâs unsurprising that single-issue Israel voters might just favour Trump, but itâs mind-blowing that Michigan Arabs might think that thereâs a better option than Harris in this race.
FIFY.
I donât know, if youâre a single-issue voter who just wants tax breaks for the rich, itâs pretty obvious Trumpâs your guy. Or if you want racism to be normalised, white males to take their rightful place at the top of the hierarchical pyramidâŚ
There is a difference already. Harris has said Israel has the right to defend itself. That simple statement gets onside with the mostly pro-Israel country.
But then she said how Israel defends itself is important. This statement is what gives me ground for hope for a stronger response to Israel, if she gets elected.
Many/most students are standing with the Palestinians. Many adults are too. But they are not in the majority in the country and Harris knows that, so to go too strong in curtailing Israel and supporting Palestine, pre election, would be a vote loser in my opinion.
Dearborn, Michigan, is a decent sized city and is majority Arab. Traditionally they would mostly be Democrat but watching what Israel has done to Gaza, and elsewhere, and seeing how little has been done to stop it, will move a lot of them away from voting Democrat this time.
Michigan is a key swing state and it could be consequential in the overall election.
I very much understand their point, but also wish they would look again, as even though the Democrat response has been quite insufficient, Israel will be worse under Trump. The instinct of the GOP is to invite Netanyahu to address Congress. The Democrats donât see him that way at all, and with Harris in power I think a harder line against Israel will emerge.
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It wonât be as strong as what most in Western Europe would like to see, and it wonât help the tens of thousands who have already been killed. 
Surely, alienating the Muslim voters isnât a good idea for the Democrats either?
Genuine question here, because Iâve no idea: what is the proportion between Muslim voters and Jewish voters? I suppose that it comes down to the swing states with this antiquated voting system? So, Michigan has more Muslim voters, and PA more Jewish voters? And in the other swing states?
I heard that Muslim voters in Michigan want to vote for Jill Stein as a protest against the way Biden has handled all this, and I can understand that. But it effectively opens up the door for Trump, whose election would indeed be a far worse outcome for all countries around Israel⌠
I am hesitant to join in because it seems crass to debate this issue in terms of electoral impact but if that is where the conversation is then it is relevant to point out that in the US only a small fraction of the Muslim population is Arab (about 20%), and a similarly small proportion of the Arab population is Muslim (about 70% Christian). With all that we are talking about 2.5% of the population are Jewish, (total, not voting population), about 1.5% of the population are Muslim, and about 0.5% of the population are Arab (with only a small overlap between them and the Muslims).
Weâre talking about tiny numbers and with a breakdown far more complex that it initially appears. That means trying to direct your response based on the supposed electoral consequences is not just immoral but largely impossible to do. And the reality is that the 18-30 voting block as a whole has a totally different mentality towards Israel than the standard American perspective, likely driven by never having a known any version of Israel other than Netanyahuâs version, and have a completely different relationship to news and news sources than the pro-israel establishment sources those in older demographics have their world view shaped by. If you are concerned about calibrating your response based on the voters, then viewing it that way makes it far less of a tricky microtargeting approach. Add in that the majority of the pro-israel vote is protestant (primarily evangelical), and that is already an overwhelming GOP vote anyway, it simplifies the electoral calculus even more.
I think the realty is that most politicians take the perspective they do on this issue because most are of an age that has seen them fed a story that views this conflict in as simple good vs bad terms as they did the cold war and are acting on what they genuinely think is the right path.
Completely agree with that, but it is said everywhere that the election process paralyses the Biden administration in relation to the Gaza/Lebanon issue because they care about the Jewish vote. Which is why nothing meaningful will happen until after the election. Isnât that right?
No, I dont think that is right. Biden is a die hard Israel supporter consistent with American politicians of his age who have a very solidified and, IMO, out of date view of the country, and his Secretary of State had immediate family members die in the holocaust. This is personal for them and they are acting on their personal beliefs.
Lots of people look at how much Bibi has personally tried to fuck Biden and Obama before him to suggest that should result in a more confrontational attitude towards Israel, but put yourself in the shoes of a Democratic president who came into office after Trump. Arent you hoping that long standing relationships with countries can withstand the presence of a specific leader? If anything the Trump experience is part of what has made Biden double down in supporting IsraelâŚâif we can do this for a country we value with a leader we dislike, then you should forgive us our Trump years.â
I think it is just an expression of anger, and may not manifest as actually voting for Trump. Even if they donât vote at all, it could shift the result.
And do you think that Harris will bring a change if she is elected, compared to Biden? Or will it be the same unconditional support for anything Netanyahou decides to do? It will be more or less the same administration after all.