The Middle East Thread

Exactly. To be honest, why people want to go to a cesspit like that is beyond my understanding.

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Get why people go from poorer countries, but to give up the freedoms of a well-developed democracic country isnā€™t something i would be willing to forgoe. But I guess everyone has their price.

Footballers go there too.

Iā€™m not in favour of them visiting there but wealth gives a different privilege in Dubai.

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Itā€™s like an oversized Disneyworld. Except crass with its excesses. And completely fake. When you see where the ā€œhelpā€ live you feel disgusted by how they are treated.

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Whenever Iā€™ve been near what passes for Middle Eastern ā€œluxuryā€, the only thing that really comes to my mind is that itā€™s so plastic. Literally plastic, as in made of plastic, rather than the solid materials Iā€™d associate with luxury.

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Plastic requires oil.

And hence.

As the saying goes , money canā€™t buy class. But it can definitely present crass.

It seems just, but justice wonā€™t catch up with Netanyahu. He is a warmonger, and thereā€™s no appetite in the GOP to stop him, in fact the opposite.

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Itā€™s a kind of justice in itself. Him and Gallant will have to think very carefully now about just which countries they should choose to visit. It will probably hurt Bibi more as his international forays always seem to more about inflating his own ego and playing the Great Statesman rather than anything else. Of course heā€™ll still have the run of the US but Europe ia an entirely different matter.

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Because of luxury and glamour. If you have enough money, you donā€™t have to see or know, if you donā€™t want to.

Heā€™ll be a welcomed guest in any of the NATO aligned countries. Including Turkey. Not that I see Netanyahu visiting turkey at any rate.

I have said that if Trump won the election, annexation of parts of the West Bank would be coming. This has been a gradual process now for a year, debated in Israel and what the settler parties want. They was not allowed to do this under a US dem government, so were pining for Trump (prosecution of current war a seperate issue really, it became clear very fast that for a US party in election mode, it was politically ā€œtoo difficultā€ to sanction Israel for excesses in itā€™s prosecution of the war). There have been leaks about Trump being willing to allow them to annex in exchange for cease fires etc. Fairly old stories. I believe it is what is most likely going to happen.

But weā€™ll see. I think, maybe, that the recent arrest orders may change Israelā€™s status in the US in a few years. But first Trump must be defeated in the next election, so not tomorrow of course. But the albatross is getting heavier.
But itā€™s clear what the Trump circle wants. Mike Huckaby and gang has a plan and itā€™s not one we would likeā€¦

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Why would trump need to be defeated in the next election?

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Very true, there probably wonā€™t be any elections anymoreā€¦

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Very short answer: Because the Evangelists and Israel-Firsters are in his power base and will partly be included in his government. Mike Huckaby obvious example, but he is not the only one in that category.

I think what @odin_telamon was referring to is that theoretically Trump is term-limited from running again.

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Ah, sorry. Well I am not of the persuasion that his cult and how the GOP has changed the last decade, will just go away if/when he dies or his term is over. I think the next Republican candidate after Trump will follow, as far as itā€™s possible (since he is incoherant), the approximate same ideological lines and also be an authoritarian, pandering to the same changed audience, immune or skeptical of facts etc.
But of course I cannot know that for sure, but it is what I think. I think the Tea Party movement later led to MAGA and Trump. That it is a journey for the GOP and itā€™s electorate. An authoritarian journey. I donā€™t think the train has stopped yet or will stop soon.

In short, I believe that strategic socio-political damage done to the US the last decade is irreparable in the short term. In the long term, everything (or most things) can be mended, but maybe not in a couple of decadesā€¦

But this is of course just my opinion. But itā€™s how I think and sometimes it is so automatic that I forget to explain why and how I think so. But I do not live at Delpfi, so I may be wrongā€¦

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As @redalways stated , that kind of luxury is 100% plastic, and thus, lacks any genuine interest.

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I agree, but others donā€™t. Western high society often travels to Dubai, so. Eye of the Beholder. But I agree that it is vulgar.

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I mean I wouldnā€™t know, I only have limited experience with it, based on shopping malls in the Middle East.

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