The Middle East Thread

Sorry for the :rofl: emoji, but I couldn’t help.

On the other end of the spectrum, some ‘experts’, and ‘analysts’ couldn’t differentiate between an actual combat aircraft and a drone.

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No reason to be sorry, it is absolutely hilarious for me, haha.

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Israel accusing Iran of war crimes and terrorism.
Do these cunts have no shame?
Stain on the planet

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I’m really frustrated with delusion of European leaders. They are demanding so much with basically nothing in return. More importantly, they are totally useless if USA or Israel don’t give them a fuck.

No wonder cunts like Trump, Farage, et al are in ascendency, they have it easy.

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Why do they need to offer Iran anything? Right now, they are offering Iran brokerage while Israel bombs them and we wait to see if the US will as well. if the European offer is insufficient, well, Iran can take it up with Trump.

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Then what is there leverage? Can they even stop Israel, or USA from bombing. I mean they couldn’t in the first place, and they couldn’t when USA sabotaged the deal in 2018. Also, they aren’t doing Iran any favors. They just don’t want spiral into something that affects them too.

They might not have leverage with the US, but they don’t need leverage with Iran. Broad though it may be, the terms outlined are certainly better than anything that will come out of a discussion with Trump driven by Netanyahu.

How is that better when you don’t have leverage with Trump or Netanyahu? How are they going to guarantee an end even if Iran agrees to all their whims? Iran is just going to hedge on another 2018 not happening? Iran is just going to pretend that Israel is not going to violet a ceasefire just as it did in Gaza and getting away with that? Perhaps the Europeans still aren’t grasping the consequence of Iran turning into the next Iraq/Syria/Sudan/Yemen.

It is really pretty simple. Europe is trying to get Iran to agree to terms that Europe can endorse and try to push in Washington (and Tel Aviv to a lesser extent). If Iran won’t meet the European requirements, Europe leaves Iran to the tender mercies of the IDF. In some European circles, Iran is reaping what it has sowed, not least for supplying Russia to pound Ukraine.

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So, even Iran agrees to all their whims, the European can’t get the deal done; let alone preventing Trump and Netanyahu from breaching it, again. Good process.

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The world would be a far better place if the USA just turned its missiles in the direction of Israel and wiped it off the face of the earth

Yet another genocide? No thanks.

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That’s about the size of it. That is Iran’s best option right now. Hand a deal to Europe, hope Europe can get the US and Israel to agree to it. and then rely on Europe to ensure compliance. Europe in turn has hopes that China, the Gulf states and perhaps Russia will support that.

Iran has pushed this crisis to the limit, suddenly realized they will get nothing from Russia, China has minimal interest. The Gulf states don’t want to see Iran collapse, but they certainly aren’t going to spend any diplomatic capital by themselves.