Wouldn’t be hard though would it? By all accounts just a few thousand at best…135000 iranian jews are now in Israel.
The reason might be the same reasons why
-US bombed the fk out of iraq after 9/11
-France bombed the fk out of daech after the bataclan horror.
Good or bad they had to respond big
Definitely, a big part of what is happening right now is simply lashing out in response. As awful as it may sound, the bombing has been a relatively safe placeholder.
Yes but at some point it needs to stop. Netanyahu and the rest of their representatives look out of control, if not outright unhinged. Israel’s ambassador at the UN first demanded Guterres’ resignation for stating the obvious and after a ceasefire resolution was adopted with an overwhelming majority, he was telling the assembly “Shame on you”.
I don’t know what Biden is doing behind closed doors but publicly he looks like he’s enabling them to get even more out of hand. Opposing the resolution along with 13 other island states from the Pacific was such a bad look for the US.
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Not sure.
To me everything looks orchestrated and more than just revenge. Watch any interview and it’s coordinated playbook for communication. Dismay, dismiss, distract and distort. This is their outward basis for justification which appears all over the place (like Russia justifying war on Ukraine) but it’s a tactic.
Most interviews follow this pattern :
Dismiss: Don’t like critics, insult them:
- You should feel shame for questioning me.
- Don’t listen to protesters, they are advocating for Hamas.
- Dehumanising language (they are animals, beasts etc). We are the light and they are dark
Distort: If facts don’t align make up own
- Support for protests, aid, ceasefire means you support terrorists
- Hamas are only ones 100% responsible, it’s clear international law does not apply.
- How dare you accuse us of bombing hospitals. If not like we informed them to evacuate, faked evidence and created AI illustration of bunker.
Distract: if you’re accused of something, accuse someone else of the same thing
- Hypocrisy claims with analogy to Dresden, 9/11 etc
- Questioning interviewer, if it was your baby, country would you not act the same way ?
Distort: there will be consequences
- If we don’t respond the logical consequence is genocide. Do you want genocide. We said never again.
- He criticised us, he is antisemitic he should resign
My honest opinion is that Israel has wanted an excuse. Hamas and the hostages gave them the perfect opportunity to act . However the hostages are far from first and foremost in peoples mind (which should be the reactionary response) instead we have a war many of them wanted for years.
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To be clear, as open to misinterpretation. Feel I need to reiterate.
For me Hamas/Israel government are two sides of same coin. As bad as each other. I simply advocate for peace, basic human rights for all. It’s civilians which are disproportionately suffering on both sides.
Toxic rhetoric is much like the bombs hugely destructive. I don’t feel either government has the interests of their people at heart. Both want war.
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Whereas nobody should.
The trouble is that people are fuckwits.
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https://x.com/rachael_swindon/status/1718255945434718695?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw
https://x.com/thattimwalker/status/1718308038824645109?s=46&t=wYI1UQq4Zm7qgLRSA8YMdw
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Honestly, all the US’s puppy dogs like UK and Australia (I won’t include Germany in that because History Guilt is a massive driving factor in everything they do) are pretty gutless and childish, abstaining simply because the UN didn’t use the exact language they wanted and not mentioning Hamas by name, even though they did mention the release of hostages.
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I don’t see anything wrong in countries expecting Hamas to be named.
They aren’t just wanting though. They are abstaining from a UN vote aimed at pausing the killing of innocent Gazans. Going against a wholly good thing because the language upsets one of your allies (that upsets one of their allies) is fucking pathetic.
Just imagine if the UN existed in the 1930’s and a vote was held on abolishing Germany’s concentration camps and some of the allied countries said “Yeah nah. They didn’t mention the Nazis by name. We aren’t voting on that”.
This vote shows that playing politics trumps doing good. Ironic that it’s the nations that supposedly stand up for freedom and protecting innocent lives that have abstained.
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There was a follow up to this which named Hamas. Tabled by Canada I believe , some of the countries which abstained in the first did so in the second.
So where are the anti Assad and anti Russian protests? Chemical warfare against his own people courtesy of Russia, killing kids and innocent people alike, bombing camps. It’s all out there, not even being hidden. Where’s the outrage?
I’ve seen the phrase humanity on demand. Makes total sense. The West is slaved to whatever cause happens to take traction in the media be that mainstream or social and a narrative gets built up that takes on a life of its own.
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To be fair there were big protests for both
Here are two links after quick google
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Laughable. 100’s of people from an article 12 years ago. In the meantime hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed in Syria in the same time frame. Maybe if the they’re lucky someone can whip around about 20 of the lads from yesterdays, borrow a few scarves and the like and get some additional photos on the way back to their local chippie.
To be fair, eh?
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Few aspects need to consider.
The first, who is the protest aimed at ? If you are trying to get your own government to act differently you are going to get a bigger protest.
Secondly there is context of time. Syria came after Iraq and Afghanistan. Their was war fatigue, lack on trust in intervention, a feeling our own governments would make things worse
Third. Refugees as a result of the war got weaponised. Protests about refugees (which were bigger)
Having said that. Here are some UK protests.
None as big as Palestine, but I don’t think it was because Syria did not have the attention of the press.
2013 thousands protest
Thousands protest 2015
Hundreds protest 2017
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/uk-hundreds-protest-assad-regime-for-chemical-attack/792486#
Thousands protest 2018
Hundreds protest 2019
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Firstly , there was widespread outrage and revulsion , and protests , over both Syria and Ukraine. Did you sleep through them ?
Secondly , in neither of those cases was there a captive civilian population in the most densely populated strip of land on earth being bombarded from air, land and sea by one of the most powerful militarys in the world.
And before you suggest that they brought it on themselves with the atrocity on Oct 7 , how about the four times previously that Israel has gone to ‘war’ (ha ha) and bombed the fuck out of the place in return for a few homemade fireworks and balloons coming over the fence.
2008 - 1400 Palestinians killed 13 Israelis
2012 - 158 Palestinians killed 6 Israelis
2014 - 2310 Palestinians killed 72 Israelis
2021 - 256 Palestinians killed 13 Israelis
Now - 7,000 and counting 1400 Israelis.
‘The rule of proportionality requires that the anticipated incidental loss of human life and damage to civilian objects should not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected from the destruction of a military objective.’
Maybe , just maybe , it’s that that makes people so fucking angry , as well as the total refusal of the State of Israel to address this problem in any meaningful way for the past 20 years.
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@wyld.at.hrt seems strangely obsessed with defending Israel at any costs though. Maybe they aren’t actually, but it feels that way given their posting patterns.
Also casually ignores the comparison of the Ukrainian and Palestinian death tolls, but I guess that’s an inconvenient truth.
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Are you angry that there’s no criticism about Putin or Assad regimes here at TAN or worldwide? We do have an exclusive thread for Putin’s atrocities in Ukraine and it has over sixteen thousand posts. The Syrian war started 12-13 years ago and I’m sure TiA forum had a thread on that too.
The worldwide protests against the Israel atrocities is mostly due to the non-alignment of public consciousness and the government policy. In case of both Syria and Ukraine, the public consciousness and the government policies are pretty much aligned. Ukraine has been provided with generous military and humanitarian support, Ukrainian refugees has been welcomed overseas, and Russia has been subjected to rigid sanctions. Similarly, there are sanctions against Syria, there are US troops in Syria and UK & French warships stationed nearby, and there has been generous support for anti-Assad militants.
General people, worldwide or at TAN, don’t have a selective consciousness. We have the same outrage for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, Israel’s occupation of Palestine (and Golan Heights), Assad’s atrocities in Syria, China’s atrocities against HK & Uyghur. It’s the political hierarchy that has selective consciousness to suit its agenda.
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Very well put. If we want to talk about selective quoting of outrage, then I want to know why no one’s protesting against the plight of the Rohingya in Burma, or the native tribes in the Amazon against the encroachment of the Brazilian criminals?
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