The Owners - FSG

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All of it.

If you can’t see the difference between a Labour government any Labour government and whatever that has been for the last 12 years I can’t help you.

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I didn’t ask for, nor do I need your help.

Imagine a person like Klopp attaining more power at a club through insistence, willpower, obvious mega talent, forcefulness of will and aspiration. Hell, wouldn’t want those characteristics in a manager.

I’m pretty sure it’s referred to in Honigstein’s book. By battles, i’m not suggesting it was outright war between the two or dysfunctional, only that Klopp would stand up and make his case, sometimes forcibly.

There have been quotes floating round on twitter yesterday (so don’t know if they are accurate) of Zorc saying he wished he had kept Klopp instead of the analytical team.

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I think it’s completely normal that Klopp stood up for his captain and might have had to put some pressure on so that the extension went through. Because it’s not just only about numbers and statistics in a table, but also about the human aspect in the team structure! That is completely ignored here and should also be taken into account. The scouting team only cares about the numbers. And the fact that this is now being presented here in such an exaggerated way is, in my opinion, completely OTT, and of course Klopp internals are always dramatized by the journalists, that’s just the way it is.

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That is not ignored at all, maybe not in the current posts but certainly been talked about a lot.

My view is the loyalty Klopp gains through his managerial style is second to none, but it is also a double edged sword. It can have great highs with players ready to run through walls for him and that was key to our success… But on the low side it can mean keeping players past their expiry and we’ve ended up with an aged midfield due to keeping faith in players maybe a bit more ruthlessness in allowing to be sold would have helped.

Klopp is one man, he will have faults :slight_smile: I guess my concern is that the model we had, which seemed to work in perfect harmony, each persons strengths negating others weaknesses, was a structure around Klopp which challenging him, but importantly he respected and listened to them - See Robbo, Mane, Salah signings as prime examples.

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In perfect world id like someone like FSG.

Not going to turn my back on liverpool because of new ownership gtfoh then
Looking at middle Eastern countries as no no
What about some other countries today that have been involvement in all recent wars and still have wooden spoonfuls out.
Im 40 being supported this club since born had success over last 3-4 years but it was mainly watchingthescumwin then some chealsea now strong shity , on these websites since 07 seen some great posters though the crying from do gooders make ya vomit.
Il say from personal experience meeting others fans 2 out ten would not want rich oil owners.
Again not perfect world.

No, I don’t at all agree it is. In my view he is correct, whoever has that kind of money to invest in the Middle East, is linked to some truly outrageous stuff. That has nothing to do with culture racism, because it is simply reality. At least it is the reality that I see.

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Maybe these guys leaving are just making themselves available to FSG and their new venture… something they could not do if the terms of the sale prohibited approaching existing staff…
Maybe they are just shit at their job without Edwards leading the line… Time will tell eh

The issue isn’t about Klopp standing up for his captain, or vice-versa the analytics guys pushing not to renew him. It’s about no longer being able to resolve these differences in an amicable, productive manner. At least that’s what’s being reported by most journalists with connections in the club. There have been multiple clear the air meetings and talks as well without making any difference. Now we’ve reached the point that one analyst after another is resigning.

The club’s analytics team is world class, perhaps the best around and it’s being disbanded from within. That’s not a good sign no matter how you slice it.

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I’m sorry but I just can’t believe this is true. If that had really been the case and there had been so much internal disagreement and disputes, Klopp would never have renewed his contract.

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The problem for most people isn’t oil, it’s being owned by dictatorships with ISIS-light ideology. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is just that. If you think that’s okay, well then that’s you. The point is that when such states own clubs they don’t bring success for the clubs or the fans, they are exploiting clubs and fans to white wash their imagine in the West. If you think winning a title for Saudi Arabia is (because it would not be for Liverpool in reality, as the club would be just a pawn) so great, then fair enough. But it’s pretty special to condemn “dogooders” and come out with a whining post about those that care. I am sure many fans would not care about anything but winning no matter who the club wins for, but for some people it’s not okay and it’s hardly crying but a consistent set of ethics. You may not have that, but that’s you either don’t care or because you don’t want to know and that’s on you. I know a man who supported Newcastle since he was 9 and broke with them when Saudi Arabia Muhammad bin Salman took over and that’s laudable and worthy of great respect in my world. Maybe not in yours though.

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Klopp then speaks out the problems with sovereign wealth funds owning football clubs. Shortly after Liverpool suffer significant mass upheaval. For an ownership group who made it clear that sensible cost controls being implemented was a big attraction for them getting involved, these developments do make it understandable they’d want to take their profit and walk away. And football will be worse for it.

As this world cup has shown, sports becomes uncomfortable when you cannot separate out the politics. The PL becomes a pissing match among various gulf states it’s not sports anymore.

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Sounds like Ronnie’s already bought his tea towel.

Jesus it turns my stomach to think that some of our fans will go down the same route as Newcastle fans.

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Think I said that earlier. I don’t blame any fans for who their owners are but if they are objectionable people then they are obliged to acknowledge it.

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He’s not slinging shit, he’s arguing clearly and coherently for an ethical approach to club allegiance. Something that is not within your capabilities.

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Nor in capability that some dont care.

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Most ye are in the closet… trying to look great on the other hand then

Do you drive a Citroën?