The Steven Gerrard Thread

Thank God! Imagine if he’d been a free agent :face_with_peeking_eye:

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If Billy Hogan’s data suggested Gerrard was the best manager I’ll spend the next decade doing something else.

https://x.com/kloppholic/status/1836458813618000254?s=48&t=_FZb9vXJQQCRamlwS65k6Q

The soundtrack was an odd choice though. If you are able to, there is no better all-player to emulate than our Stevie G.

I don’t think there has ever been another player for LFC who can produce a solid 7-8 in every facet of football. Everything tangible and intangible. I bet he’d be a more than decent keeper! Fowler is my no2 now.

Stevie G is no 1.

At or even near his peak he would walk into any side in the world. Club or country (assuming he got the passport :grinning:).

We were so lucky to have him.

That slip still breaks my heart. For him more than anything else. He’s the last player who deserved that.

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It’d be interesting to see Stevie’s stats hd they been tracked the way our stattos track them since Jurgen and Edwards came on board.

I bet Stevie would be a complete one-off unicorn outlier!

That’s a brilliant video!

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Great video pal and I thought the soundtrack was perfect, haunting in fact

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https://x.com/ptgorst/status/1846213915790741940

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He was the best midfielder of his generation by a country mile and, for me, the most complete footballer I’ve ever seen.

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I think this goes back to the attributes point that @koptician made. I have no doubt that in terms of individual abilities, he was one of the best. I’m just saying that in my opinion at least, he had significant weaknesses that are often overlooked, such as his lack of tactical discipline and propensity to make the wrong decisions. Put him in today’s team, and I’m sure he would do well, but he would also still cop a fair amount of criticism precisely because he could be very anonymous too often.

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Messi didnt spent most of his career objecting to being used in roles that removed him from having those responsibilities.

Gerrard was a wonderful footballer, but in terms how he fit into the tactically evolved game that existed by the time he was on the scene he had limitations. None of them were technical limitations or related to his ability, but mostly his vision for what he thought he should be responsible for doing. It was a English disease of the time of wanting to be allowed to be Bryan Robson despite that role being 20 years out of date.

I think that criticism of him is often overdone and so many will take issue with my rendition of that, but it is an example of how it complicates his legacy (actually, maybe legacy isnt the right word because his legacy IS istanbul, the 06 cup final, all the other goals) beyond a basic judgement of how wonderful an overall footballer he was.

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Totally this! :100:

No he wasn’t. The problem back then was that his supporting cast were quite far behind him and the rest of the top teams in the league. So it was an added burden on him. Which made it all the more difficult for him to deliver to the levels he would have been able to consistently…if he only had some support. It did come later on in the shape of Torres, Suarez, Alonso, Coutinho but never in a complete package and sadly not when he was at his prime.

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I wonder if he would have shone as much in a better team though.

Imagine him instead of Szoboszlai in today’s team…

I think Rafa subbing him in the derby (2007?) is a big indication it was not just about the quality of players forcing him into a superman way of playing, but just a tendency he too often failed to break himself out of.

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You’re either 15yo or you were in a coma for the first decade of this millennium.

If anything Gerrard was underrated by all apart from Liverpool fans. He could have played in any position and been the best player on the pitch. The best midfielder of the PL era by far. Captained us from he was 23.

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but…

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The “Gerrard isn’t tactically disciplined” story comes largely from Rafa because Rafa came from a school of managers who had incredibly detailed and exacting tactical instructions. Every player on the team had a very specific job and any variation was frowned upon. I’m not criticising Rafa, I love that man, but its always been the failure of the conversation that it fails to acknowledge that Rafa was an outlier for tactical strictness among top coaches even at his best.

You put a 25 year old Gerrard in, for example, Klopp’s Liverpool or really any team after the Guardiola-fication of football and we’re basically discussing Kevin De Bruyne. That’s what Gerrard was, De Bruyne with more energy, passion and independent match-winning ability. The tactical discipline wouldn’t count for nearly as much in today’s much more total football style.

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If I had to chose between Trent & Stevie, it would be Stevie everyday

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Would love to see him in the current Szob role, he would be unstoppable

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the tactical discipline debate regarding Gerrard always felt a bit Lazy to me, most of the time it referenced his ‘holywood’ passes, he was quite good tactically, he just had the skillset to be able to break ‘code’…im sure he was tasked with it even by Rafa…

an extreme version of what im trying to say is Maradona…‘lets all play a very strict system, its called get the ball to Diegos feet’

now obviously Gerrards no Maradona, and the game had moved on tactically, but ill go he if half of those holy passes and maruading runs vacating positions werent sanctioned, or at least tolerated, by the Gaffa…yes…even Rafa

was Gerrard perfect? obviously not, towards the end of career until that indian summer under rodgers it did have a feeling that for the club to move on Gerrard had to, he was a tad stale, but i digress…

still the most complete footballer ive seen in my time following this club

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He’s more of a Mac in my book.