Liked season 1, 2 not so much. Good to read that you liked 3, I will start on it next week.
This season is good in part because its mature enough now that the characters are well enough developed that they can build plot points (and punchlines) around the things we know about them.
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Was a weird watch, imo.
He obviously had some things he felt he needed to say. Couldnāt help himself with the trans digs either.
Only watched the first episode of the series so far, and can already tell itās going to be a banger
Iāve never seen a Chappelle stand-up show but Iām watching the new one now. Iām someone who thinks with the right set up and tone you can make anything funny, doesnāt really matter how tabboo the subject it can work. Jimmy Carr, Shane Gillis, Stewart Lee etc have shown this many times.
What I would say about Chappelle so for is that he spent the first 6 minutes telling a story about meeting Jim Carrey pretending to be Andy Kaufman as a big set up for the first punch line of the whole show and it was, of course, a trans joke. The problem was it wasnāt funny! Felt like he just wasted my time for 6 minutes.
Trying to be open minded but not overly impressed so far. Is this always what his stand up is like? Iām struggling to see why he is considered one of, if not the, greatest stand ups of all time. It seems like more āAn Evening With Dave Chappelleā while he airs some grievances.
In the late 90s he was one of the best there was. Cutting, clever, brave. He got old and rich though and that isnt a great place for his sort of comedy.
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What @Limiescouse said.
I loved the Chappelle show when I was younger, and I thought a lot of his first Netflix specials were great.
The last two I barely laughed. The airing of grievances description is spot on. All very symbolic for him, returning to the venue in his home city where heād done his famous stand-up show. Just not very funny for anyone else.
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I gave up around 35 mins in - just boring.
Yeah i think he scaled back a bit from last few specials, a slightly lighter tone while still getting his trans jokes in. He just wasnāt that funny. I laughed a few times, but agree with above. Old, rich and need to be edgy not a great combination.
Absolutely love his early work. I was perfect age for Chappelle Show. So funny.
Jimmy Carr?
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Like many things, humour is subjective. I rarely find him funny, but plenty of people think heās hilarious.
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Yeah, I just donāt heās someone who is regarded for putting the time and work into making sure his material is set in a context that makes its intention clear.
If anything I think he overly explains his context. Since the tax thing he has told the same jokes but he almost has an apologetic air to him like āI know you like it when I tell offensive jokes but I donāt really want toā.
I saw him in Liverpool a few months after that tax scandal thing and he wasnāt funny at all because he spent the whole time explaining why the joke he just told was offensive and why he shouldnāt be saying it.
We know dude, just tell the joke. Most people will understand its not a mantra for life.
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Acknowledging a joke is offensive and feigning a sense of disgust at it, before then delivering it anyway, isnāt the same as actually thinking about it and contextualising it.
Iāve seen Jimmy Carr a few times and always come away with the impression he is a great writer of jokes, but doesnāt give a shit about the impact of the joke. Itās all about getting the laugh and then getting the next laugh as quickly as possible.
People always focus on how the Naziās killed Jews. But we forget they also killed loads of gypsies as well - so they werenāt all badā¦
Thatās the joke that got him into trouble recently, and itās easy to see why. Itās not one of his best jokes, and itās pretty unpleasant. I donāt think anyone really thinks Jimmy Carr approves of killing gypsies, but thatās not the reason for the offence. Itās a lazy, generic bait and switch, which makes one of the most oppressed, voiceless, minorities (and Iād argue the last group of people that there is no real taboo about expressing racism towards) the clear butt of the joke, and delivered in such a way that it reinforces the notion that gypsies are lesser people and it OK to be cruel to them.
Jimmy Carrās usual response to this sort of thing is to wrinkle his nose, shrug his shoulders, do that pretend wince/teeth sucking thing that acknowledges he has crossed a line, then laugh like a wounded hyena, and suggest itās nothing really to do with him. Itās your fault for egging him on. Then, when the shit hits the fan, go on the defensive saying itās just a joke and people need to lighten up.
If you want to do a joke like that, you have got to do the graft of creating a structure for it that makes clear what the intention is, and who the target of the joke is. Jimmy Carr, just doesnāt seem willing to do that hard work.
If you want to see this done properly YouTube Stewart Leeās Imaginary Black Wife. The idea that Stewart Lee has an imaginary black wife who confirms to all the cliches and stereotypes of what white people think black people are like while lamenting that his real Irish Wife is a drunk, violent waste of space, is on the surface of it potentially massively racist and offensive. The reason why it works is because Stewart Lee has gone to great lengths to make it clear he is the butt of the joke. He is the idiot, acting out what he acknowledges to be a āpatronising liberal delusionā.
Jimmy Carr is a humourless dick. He reminds me of that kid in school who would suck up to the teachers but then ridicule them behind their backs.
Everyone laughed, but it was smarmy and unpleasant.
See him, hit remote.
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Season 1 was probably the first TV show I ever binged. Could not stop watching it.
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That wasnāt his full quote, though. He immediately made the point of why it is considered acceptable to wish for the genocide of one group rather than another.
Obviously, it was engineered that only the offensive part came out because when it comes to āedgy comediansā bad publicity is excellent publicity.
It isnāt acceptable to wish genocide on anyone.
Is it really necessary to point this out?
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Well people laughed at Carrās initial comment so, yes, you do need to point it out. I think that was his point.
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