Authoritarian demagogues thrive on chaos. It negates the power of rational arguments and justifies their methods. This one is no different.
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This is it then Trump is hardening his support, I can not see him giving up for whatever ulterior motives.
Biden is a useless lump trying to drum up support very unsuccessfully, how the fuck did he get nominated? Trump is me, me, me, me. Biden is me, people, me.
There’s only one way this is going to finish and that’s badly, someone from the Democrats has to drum up the war fever or they are going to get butchered.
thought the debate was atrocious. They should have both candidates seated. The ‘moderator’ should stop any unfounded claims from being the main discussion. This isn’t democracy this is a shit show.
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It’s a circus
A debate without the interruptions is obtainable.
If they can’t behave, seperate and mic up. Beyond simple
Stay safe America, you deserve so much better
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erm… Biden has a 7% lead.
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This sums it up -
Forward to 1.08 if you like…
That’s not what I was infereing to. I was infereing the ensueing civil war after the election. The Dems aren’t prepared the Trumpists are more than prepared and hardening. The election is just the distraction and the Dems have fallen for it and will get butchered sooner of later if they don’t wake up. Biden is a zombie!
Last night further emphasized that Trump is not the problem. The problems are that a significant portion of the most significant media outlets can both sides their coverage of this simply claiming that the debate descended into chaos, and that 40%+ of the country can look at that disaster of a event and think Trump “won.”
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Biden shouldn’t have taken the debate. It just gives Trump a platform to lie, bluster, interrupt, dominate.
A debate is an exchange of viewpoints, ideas… and the most reasoned argument and point/s tend to have some impact.
This was nothing of the sort, and Biden was foolish for getting into the cage with a chimpanzee flinging shit. All that’s going to happen there is you will get shit on you. You can’t reason or debate anything in the circumstances.
Also, nobody will be moved either way. People for Trump, at this stage, have their minds made up. Same with Biden. The debate is pointless because of bluster, interruption, lies and so on.
If they decide to do another debate, and I know there are supposed to be three, the moderator needs a simple button to mute the mic of the person who is not speaking. Two minutes to speak, mic on. Then when it’s the other person’s turn you are muted. Empower the moderator with that.
Seasoned journalists need some norms and good faith. They can’t do their job in this environment.
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You cannot respond to someone subverting democracy by further eroding the process. These are the handcuffs that affect the Democrats in the current political environment.
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15 minutes on social media while drinking coffee this morning, I am seeing a lot of my Trump supporting friends move the goal posts with statements like “you vote for a president due to policy not personality.” Ignoring that this is actually almost never the case, and is misguided given the limited role of the president in actually crafting policy, what are the policies Trump has enacted that justify giving him another 4 years?
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Trump would do that regardless. Biden doesn’t have to convince voters that he is more reasoned than Trump, only that he isn’t mentally incapacitated. If he manages that, Trump loses an opportunity to close the gap on Biden in the polls, and Biden perhaps opens up a bigger lead.
If Biden didnt agree to the debate, then Trump would use that against him and it would look worse for Biden.
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As redfanman says, Biden needs to show that he is above Trump in terms of respecting democratic procedures. That alone should give him a natural superiority against this agitated monkey.
For the rest of your post, I agree wholeheartedly. If a candidate isn’t ready to respect elementary rules of how to discuss with each other, cut off his microphone. Simple.
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fuck off and watch your cartoons
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@Limiescouse @Hope.in.your.heart @redfanman @RedOverTheWater
If Biden wants to win against Trump he has to fight against a torrent of vitriol from the Republican party in the coming weeks. If he wants to be a better president than Trump, he will have to fight a torrent of vitriol from Republican party for four years.
These debates will basically test if Biden is good enough to beat Trump and good enough to be different than Trump.
Fair comments on Biden not taking the debate. I agree that I would further undermine the process and be used by the Trump campaign.
So yes, better to participate… though still to my mind, reluctantly
The microphone thing should be an obvious correction they make next time. The limited amount of people in the studio would still perhaps hear an un-mic’d comment, but for the vast majority tuning in on tv, that can be much better managed.
I’d also add, for TV, the camera should be on the person speaking, so the person who is not speaking is both muted, and unseen.
Then when it’s their turn… have at it.
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since gwen ifill died, it’s pointless to have a moderator unless you can turn off trump’s microphone
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I disagree somewhat. It wont be difficult to be a better president than Trump. You simply let the institutions do what they are supposed to do.
Biden is relatively conservative and is building links with the Republicans. He will probably have a fairly conservative agenda post election if elected President. I don’t know if he will encounter the vitriol we see now, and would think that the Republicans themselves see a good chance of winning subsequent elections against him or Harris without descending into a bun fight.
As obvious as this sounds, I think people need to understand what it means for someone to unilaterally mute the President of the US. Yes, Trump 100% deserves that treatment, but he IS the president. Most people in positions of power, including the media, still cannot get their head around the difference between Trump the man vs the position he holds and so treat him with more regard than he gives to his own position. That the media hasnt been able to get their head around this is a large part of why we’ve failed so badly to deal with Trump.
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Biden has been dealing with that since this time last year and has consistently had a large lead over Trump in the polls. Biden doesnt NEED to do anything different than he has ever done in this campaign.
I think you have to move the bar on that. Trump has so debased the position that it will be near impossible to fail to be an improvement. However, if you want to reframe that as whether Biden will be objectively successful, then yes he will have fight against a Republican party that will do everything in their power to prevent him being so. But I dont think his willingness or ability to rise above that will be determined by or signaled by anything that happens over the next 6 weeks.
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