Man United has left the group (literally and figuratively).
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United’s season starts now.
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I hope not after Chris Wilders disrespectful comments.
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I have an Indian Mother, Coloured Father, Indian Grand Parents, a White Grandfather and a Black/Coloured Grandmother. I am literally all the colours of the rainbow. Growing up as a kid in the 80’s I was discriminated by the actual institutions of my country as well as its people. When the schools were opened I was one the first non-whites in my town to go to a ‘White School’ and then I went to a Agricultural College (high school) just after 94 that was boarders only with the exception of myself because of academic and sporting reasons whose scholars were in the vast majority White Afrikaans farm boys from the Free State and old Northern Transvaal. Over time I earned my place but believe you me I know exactly what racism is; from being offered a handshake that would turn into a headbutt to being made to strip the Astro pitch in the sun. I have no bitterness, I just learned to do things harder, faster and better than others and I am proud to be South African and who I am.
That sort of discrimination still goes on. Incidents like that imho just take everything away from the real problem.
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He said as a black man, and the only black man on set, he wouldn’t at all be offended if someone called up to the set right now and was referred to as the black one. And he said while it was an unfortunate miscommunication, he doesn’t at all see any racism whatsoever in what the official said. He also said Webo was out of order for being so aggressive.
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What exactly did Webo do or say, to get sent off?
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Not sure. Whatever it was, it was in response to the tackle that set this entire thing into motion.
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Problem is and goes back to the perception of it all, as a gay man I don’t say what offends me or what doesn’t.
As a white man it sounds a little nothing but then I’m not going to judge it and say on someone’s behalf.
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Add to that confusion everyone is also masked up.
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My biological father was Moroccan, while my mother is ethnic Norwegian . I look darker than most Norwegians and I grew up in the countryside where people are “provincial” and speak from the gut (i.e. not politically correct). I have experienced very little racism, but a a tiny bit I have. You tend to understand when someone is actually judging you on ethnicity. However, I have it easier of course. I was raised as a Norwegian, am no immigrant and do not even speak Arabic (which is unfortunate, but so it is). Culturally, I am therefore accepted, also by people who generally have anti immigrant views. So I have it easy, not saying anything else. But I do notice when someone is actually racist either in regards to myself or some of my foreign friends. It is ultra rare, but it has happened.
In regards to the ref where there is a linguistical issue, I would not judge from the bits of knowledge we have been served. Not when the consequences of such judgement is ruin for the man in question. Use ultimate social sanctions only on those actually deserving. A few are, not many, but a few. But people should be aware that in most Western European countries, being labeled a racist is ruinous when the media is involved. When the media is involved it becomes double punishment almost automatically. It makes me uneasy. Need intent for me to be comfortable with a hammer coming down.
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But no one ever says the white guy, so there is no need to say the black guy. Either use their name, or identify them by their job and team ie Assistant Coach for X team - to identify someone by their skin colour is just ignorant and shows the ingrained racist language that society accepts as normal when there is no need for it.
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As we all know, the media can destroy people’s lives, because they feel they have the right to do so. Freedom of the press etc. Even if it transpires the Romanian official has done nothing wrong, the damage to his career is already done because the press will make sure of that.
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Yeah, and that makes me uneasy. Not so sure that is anything that is related to justice. It becomes too much. I don’t like witnessing it.
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If they draw us do you think they’ll just not show up for the Anfield leg thinking a 3-0 walk over is better than a 4-0 loss.
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But that’s also it. There was so much discrimination so being the first black person to do something mattered and was rightly lauded and lauded because they overcame tremendous discrimination to do it. They are black, it is what it is. Being racist and calling someone a black person is two very different things and I am not saying that from a position of white privilege but from the perspective of someone who grew up with racism, has lived with racism and still sees it in my society today.
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I think Coutinho might have a recurrence of his back injury.
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Yes they do if it is contextually relevant. Are you telling me you’ve never seen Eminem referred to as the white rapper? Who was the Greek sprinter from the 00s? Shit, I remember him ONLY because he was competitive while white.
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I think someone would say “the white guy” if being white was what quickly and without confusion differentiated him from others potentially being discussed.
Webo being black was the most obviously recognisable characteristic that differentiated him.
I said this years back on TIA but it’s becoming ridiculous if we can’t use adjectives in a way that aids communication if we fear it could be interpreted as being discriminatory. If what differentiates someone is their height, their build, their clothes or their skin colour…use that to avoid mistaking identities. But if the most obvious factor is skin colour one now finds oneself desperately trying to identify ANY other differentiating characteristic to use instead, even if it is contrary to aiding clarity.
That’s ridiculous.
In a setting where the coaches are all wearing the same gear, all of similar builds, but only one’s black it’s artificial (and actually indirectly draws attention to colour being an unspoken issue) if you say, “he’s the guy standing next to the fat/ginger/tall one”.
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I couldn’t comment about how the term for black is used in an Eastern European country because I know nothing about how the language/languages work. So no, I wouldn’t be PLEADING anything.
By the way, I didn’t PLEAD anything, I have nothing to gain over Cavani and Suárez. He doesn’t even play for LFC anymore. Unless of course explaining something calmly and rationally is PLEADING where you live.
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Well said, @aussielad. I have nothing more to add. It’s perfect.
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