We’re not, not compared to what we had prior to Brexit, but it’s good news compared to the prospect of no deal.
Of course it will be spun that the EU has fallen before the might of Boris, but in reality he’s done what he was always going to have to do. Wanna be in the club, play by the rules.
There’s going to be a press conference at 11.30 (it was supposed to be at 7.00 but has been put back about five times already so this last time may not be set in stone).
Talk on the radio about how the deal does represent a bit of having your cake and eating it that was initially suggested was not possible. We’ll have to see to what extent that applies but it’s obviously going to be a compromise and, as always, the devil will be in the details.
I completely trust the government and their compliant press not to bullshit us on the details.
I wonder if it will get compared to May’s deal (though fish were not in that one).
Well there’s a few useful lads in here that should be able to cut through all that for you…
Having a BIT of cake and eating it is not really the same as what was first suggested, certain people thought they could have the whole thing. As you say it’s going to be a compromise.
We’ll have to see what it is! Tariff free access to the single market without paying a membership fee and much greater control of our waters would already represent a significant coup even if it came with being tied to EU standards on the environment and workers rights (two things we were unlikely to diverge downwards from in any event), and limits on state aid (something that the Conservatives probably didn’t really care about that much).
But it must be a bad deal surely as it was a bad idea? Or is that confirmation bias?
Boohoo , we had s democracy before the EU and thankfully we managed to salvage that, before the EU we were a free nation and we are again free.
Beautiful thing about democracy is that everyone who votes gets a say, sad part of living in a socialist utopian society is that only the socialists think they should have a say, a deal is almost done and even now the europhiles are still can’t understand it, I get it you hate Britain to such an extent that you want to be part of the United States of Europe , and even complain about the elites taking over the world from time to time (ironic) but sad to say we are not a part of it and whilst it may not be ideal for you, given your constant knocking of Britain and everyone who wanted to leave, why not take a step back and stop poisoning people’s minds and let them have a bit of optimism for once instead of the doom and gloom you spout, think after this year we’ve had it’s about time we started believing in ourselves once more as a nation and feel optimistic for whatever comes
Would that represent taking back sovereignty though?
It’s degrees. I’ll have to see the deal, particularly on LPF and ultimate arbitrator, before commenting on how true that is.
It could mean us all getting a bag of gold every Tuesday and free beer and there would still be complaints.
Service and financial industry probably pretty interesting as well.
What are you talking about?
No trade deal is going to be as good for the U.K. as having full access to the EU as a member. That’s just a fact.
As for the democracy thing, I’ve long accepted that Brexit has to happen for all the reasons you’ve said. For about two years it’s been about getting a deal and moving on, so I’m pleased we can finally do this.
But let’s not pretend we’re getting our cake and eating it, because we’re not. And let’s not pretend breezy optimism in the face of difficulty is going to see us though. Christ, that’s been Government policy over the last year on a range of issues and it’s been a catastrophe.
That’s to come later, isn’t it?
Nuts…
We won’t know the quantity of cake nor how much of it we’ll need to run off in January until they release the details. You’re assuming it’s going to be bad. I hope you’re wrong. Am I wrong to be optimistic?
I am still a little bit skeptical whether this deal will now be ratified by both sides. My feeling is that the usual suspects will probably vote against it anyway, and imo the important thing is now that both sides are reasonably satisfied to get it through their parliaments. We have already seen in the past that this may not be as easy as you might think.
I’m not assuming anything. I’m stating that a compromise deal is not going to be as favourable as full membership. It’s delusional to think it would be. The Telegraph, The Mail, The Sun etc are going to go full ‘up yours delors’ and claim we’ve come out of the shit smelling of roses, but we both know that’s not true.
I hope it’s going to allow the country to ride out the economic impacts without too much pain. Considering last week it looked like a no deal exit was nailed on, that is reason to cheerful. It’s like thinking you’re going to get the living shit kicked out of you, but you end up with a smack in the mouth and a kick up the arse.
The difference is you imagine this is worth it for some perceived other benefits, and I don’t. That’s all.
But as regards to out relationship with the EU, it’s isn’t going to be as lucrative or favourable as it was before, because it can’t be. And if it is, you lot haven’t ended up with anywhere near what you wanted.
Obviously we’ll have to see the details, but from what I’ve heard so far this seems to be fairly thin on things important to the service industry and pretty standard (not ambitious) on the financial sector stuff, with more talks to come. We’ll see.
Anyway, glad the utter madness of no deal seems to have been avoided.