Which is a sentiment that I’m sure we can all agree with.
The key thing is, if we have a government that will de-centralise the investment, we can cut out the EU and have far more for ourselves. There will be graphs and figures but you don’t need proof to know that giving X£ to europe has to come back as <X£
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I think there are a one or two people, who are actually disappointed a deal with the EU has been agreed. For their own political reasons, they were hoping for the chaos a no deal Brexit would surely bring.
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I’m watching Sky News and they’re reporting BJ is in talks with the ERG rebels now. This is why I am still not optimistic. I somehow expect a tweet soon that everything got rejected etc.
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Who is Bill Cash btw?
Oh I just googled him, alright, I know it now after I’ve seen a picture
ERG represent a smaller constituent of MPs than the Conservative majority and, in any event, Labour is likely to support it. The ERG are irrelevant for Parliamentary approval.
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Irrelevant directly, but potentially the core around which MPs from Leave constituencies could be pressured on the basis of ‘we have been betrayed’ appeals. Populism doesn’t necessarily go back into the bottle when one wants it too. If on Boxing Day the UK fishing fleet is blockading a port in protest, etc, the number of Conservatives against it might be bigger than just the ERG.
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EU Ambassador meeting canceled
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That’s no good news
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I think some are skeptical, very wary, and irritated, maybe even angry, that it has come to this. But I don’t think anyone on this forum actually are disappointed with an actual deal. Even those outside of the UK, their economies would be impacted negatively by a No Deal, so any possible Schadenfraude would be like laughing because both duelists ended up being shot by a lead bullet, later leading to critical blood poisoning. I don’t think anyone with some understanding of the issue would actually would delight in that. But obviously the world is big so there will be such persons, but I choose to believe that there are none of those on this forum, at least not people with a cursory understanding of the issue.
He has to talk to them though. They were his “base”, his battle brothers in war. But now that he is PM, he has also other and wider responsibilities. I think he is a destructive clown , but I do think he is going to ratify and that he is now desperately trying to persuade the valiant rebels (lol…) that they should not raise the flag of rebellion once again. He is PM now after all, so must consider the thoughts and feelings of his entire party, not just the ERG. He also must consider the general voters and the country at large, he wants the Cons to stay in power and get reelected in some years as well. I also think that he genuinely wants what he thinks is the best for his country, he is not Donald Trump after all.
But maybe I am wrong, maybe the ERG wing has even greater grasp of his testicles than I have thought. That would be a shame and a surprise to me.
I am not saying categorically that I think you are wrong, but I do believe that most signs portends to a ratification at this point in time.
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Nicola Sturgeon wishes to be remembered to you.
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Boris will not want to push it through with Labour votes. It basically dooms him. I suspect he’d rather take a no deal.
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Yeah, but like Islamists, ethnic nationalists (I make no direct comparison with these ideologues in case someone wants to read that from what I wrote), and people with “wing-ideas”, they are loud and have a greater impact on society, in this case politics, than their actual numbers suggests they should have. I think @Arminius had a point. Borris did after all arise, like a dirty soot-clad starved phoenix, from the fire of their political nationalist populism. If there is one thing Borris is probably politically wary about, it is a new populist conflagration that targets him for “treason”.
Not that I think the ERG now has enough power for that, they spent immense capital to get Borris into the role of PM and launch BREXIT, they would probably not have capital to turn successfully against him, I think, since they would probably be bereft of enough allies to have an actual impact. So I don’t think they are as relevant now as they were in 2016.
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and I don’t think he will be the first Tory to arrive at that logic.
Hmm, but are there not enough conservative support for him to be able to say that he does not really do that ?
Enlighten me please, but is the Con majority now thought to be against ratification ? If so, then I see the path clearly to a No Deal. Maybe I have the wrong impression.
Just in time for Christmas well done Boris you absolute legend.
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It depends where he thinks the power in the Tory party is.
He isn’t widely liked in the mainstream party, and a lot of his support for the leadership came from the ERG.
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Yeah, I can see why the SNP might have politically hoped for a terrible outcome. It would certainly have served their End Game interests. With a decent deal, Scottish independence is likely further away, which for them, is of course awful. Can’t really blame them, not much anyway, for hoping that Brexit could be a vehicle they could use for the greater good, as they see it, though.
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