Only to you. If I revealed that I’d just sold my business (built from scratch without help) would you congratulate me or secretly think “lucky bastard”?
Not that I have 
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@BigJon I didn’t understand your narrative. Are you suggesting that people should keep voting for 3rd, 4the, 5the options until their preferred party reaches a critical mass; winning a seat (local) or winning enough seats (national)???
@Noo_Noo so some one other than Labour is fighting with the Tories in your constituency?
yes what would normally be Labour votes in any other part of the UK is actually taken by Plaid Cymru. Conservatives always come second in the elections, with Labour third.
I suspect there’s similar constituencies in Scotland. In some ways it may actually help the Conservatives but there is a strong feeling in this part of the world that Westminster or the Senedd, but particularly Westminster does not do enough for this part of the world.
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Then the Tories remain in power.
I like like to look at this way. I’m reasonably comfortable. I’m not particularly well off, but I’m not struggling either. I’d like to vote for a socialist party, but I have to recognise that I’m in a privileged position being able to make that kind of idealogical stand.
There are millions of people in this country who will not going to get through another five years of Tory government. If Starmer isn’t my ideal candidate, the least I can do is vote for him for them.
Electoral pact. It’s such a fucking no brainier I don’t know why it hasn’t happened by now.
If I woke up tomorrow as leader of the Labour Party my first action point is getting g on the phone to the Lib Dem’s, Green, SNP and Plaid Cymru to work out an electoral pact. I’d even give up some seats to make it happen.
Get in as a coalition and force through an alternative voting system.
FPTP is utterly stupid.
Godwin’s law, can I claim my £5 please?
the media absolutely painted corbyn as someone who was going to institute pogroms, but you can ‘claim’ whatever you want–you’re probably used to it from cheating on your taxes
godwin himself says it’s fine to describe trump & the republicans as ‘nazis’ incidentally
I get that you don’t like the blues. Really, I do. And I can understand why. However, if you assemble all the other parties against them, do they not just become utterly impotent if they get into power as they’re all pulling in diametric directions?
i’m in the US. held my nose and voted for hillary in 2016, staying home this time
Baseless accusation, £50 say’s I pay FAR higher taxes than you.
But way to make friends “pal”
It happened in a mid Wales by election recently so I wouldn’t see any reason why it couldn’t be extended further.
I’ve got to admit how it would work exactly I’m not sure, I haven’t given it much thought.
What are your thoughts on the FPTP vote that took place a number of years ago? Pretty clear “no”
If you don’t like the US glorification of success and wealth, why not leave?
I admit that I may not always have the time to be across all news media but do you have some links to that? I don’t recall anything of the sort. Thin end of the wedge might be as close as some may have described it on social media but I don’t recall the media painting Corbyn in anything like the light you’re suggesting.
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Not in my experience. Granted I’ve only been a few times.
It becomes a bit complicated. Before the last election there was the distrust of Corbyn. The previous election when there was talk of a pact with SNP and Labour, the Tories cleverly got both to step away from it in the run up to voting.
Difficulty creeps in for the smaller parties in the middle who risk losing a chunk of their voters who don’t want to support the larger party it allies with. Likewise, what happens to Labour infrastructure in Scotland?
I agree its an idea worth following up, but think its a much harder sell. (From memory wasnt it the Lib Lab pact that set Labour on its way as being the rival to Conservatives, supplanted Liberal Party on the way?)
I dont think the parties are that diametrically opposed to each other, particularly with Starmer as Labour leader. Such groupings often require a bit of horse trading up front on what policies to support.
I think there is a world of difference between some one buying a Tesla because they have a monopoly of a vaccine funded by the government and increased the price of it by several thousand % and someone who has set up their own succesfull business from next to nothing, providing a much needed service.
In short, some of buying the Tesla richly deserve to be criticised.
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They are Americans who’s ancestors had the drive to go to a better place and do better for themselves. The base mentality.
But as you say, wrong thread.
Fuck intolerance.
Or…“I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!” Tom Lehrer.
Don’t know about the last election. Labor and LD lost lots of votes in Scotland and SNP did very well on their own. PC, LD and Green alliance brought marginal gains in Wales. Labor and LD lost tones of votes in England. So maybe an alliance wouldn’t have been that great.
However, in the previous election (2017?), such an alliance would have costed Tories around 60-70 seats.
But in the end the lefts are so paranoid about preserving their respective brand that it will be a monumental task for anyone to unite them.
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