UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

I actually am at the moment.

Getting ridden at work like a clapped-out thoroughbred doing rides for the kiddies at a school fete.

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Always the same me. Nice and quiet, apart from on here.

Tell me about it. Back up to 12+ hour days again.

Just not good.

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Can’t say I’m upset…

Am keeping an eye on here and the unbridled joy atm is not really what I signed up for…

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I take joy from the pain. It’s boring talking about being the best in world.

Far better to be a flawed and broken hero.

christian bale batman GIF

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For the first time ever I realised work was affecting my health…am enforcing far more down time now.

Still busier than a one-legged man in an arse kicking competition but…

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Screws me up mentally to be honest.

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Harry and Meghan leaving the Royal Family is a bit like Brexit. They wanted to leave the family but retain the benefits. So they want to be removed from the responsibilities/royal duties, they want to be away from the public eye as ā€œroyalsā€, feeling as if their lives are not truly their own, but yet they want the titles, they want the money, they want the security, and they intend to trade off their royal status. They went for the expensive royal wedding, she wore royal jewels, she was the first non-member of the royal family to be invited to spend Christmas with the Queen, etc.

There were reported strains between Kate and Meghan from early on and this, to me, is a reflection of the difference in understanding what each of them were getting in to. Kate was nicknamed ā€œwaity katieā€ so patiently did she wait for William to finally commit to her. I think she sees her royal duties as an honour and a responsibility that she’s craved to undertake for a very long time. She is properly engaged in the whole thing. She knows precisely what is expected of her and expects similar from others.

For Meghan, there is simply no way that she could have had the same level of awareness about what she was getting into. For her, she probably saw what most of us see. The glamour, the prestige, the pageantry, the daring-do soldier, the family ā€˜maverick’. She probably didn’t have any appreciation for what is also entailed. She was on board with all the good stuff, but the negative stuff that she may have had little prior appreciation for, no, not for her.

I’m not blaming her. I can totally understand how the reality can be so distorted from any previous perception. That’s bound to be hard, emotionally, physically, mentally. When the ā€˜role’ you’re playing is now your entire life, that’s got to be challenging.

So it seems to me that she wanted the best of both worlds and that in leaving the RF they wanted to have their cake and eat it. That’s just not possible. There’s also a huge amount of ignorance that has added to her sense of grievance (just see the issue about her children not being made princes or princesses), and for that Harry must shoulder some responsibility.

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I do feel Meghan is milking all these for what its worth. Although technically they are not paid for this Oprah’s interview, the other incomes and attention she is gonna get from all the other interviews, book deals, blah blah blah…And I agree, all along I felt that she wants the best of both worlds, the glam and fame without the responsibilities, whether you like it or not.

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I guess Indians and people aware of the Amul ads can see the humour in this

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Utterly Butterly Delicious :rofl:

Re Morgan - I dont watch GMB or whatever its called but you do need someone with different views to other people or a show, debate etc doesnt work.
I heard someone at a company I once worked for say - if you have two people on agreeing on everything exactly the same then you need to get rid of 1 of them as you’re paying 2 wages for the same ideas/views.
I like a healthy debate but it seems thats not allowed now.
If Morgan feels Megan is full of shit he should be allowed to say so.
He also did say that if its true then she should be allowed to get help and the person denying her it should be fired.
You cant have 6 people in a studio all agreeing on the same thing - might as well just have a 1 person show.

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his feelings for Meghan aside , He shouldn’t be saying that someone having suicidal thoughts is lying. That’s a no go. By venting on air , he’s probably proven what was being said about the media.

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Yeah. You don’t question someone’s claims as to their own mental health. You implore them to seek help or for help to go to them. At most you might question whether they are helping themselves with their own choices, whether they ought to be getting better advice from their own trusted circle, but leave it at that.

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Problem with Piers is that he wont accept any other views or is prepared to accept that he might actually learn something. From what I’ve seen of his rant it was basically out of order. Over 40,000 complaints about it cant be wrong.

He’s an offensive buffoon who is only interested in himself.

In some ways it’s funny that he’s balls deep into the idea that the Royal Family are in some way superior to any other family on the planet. With someone like Andrew and Charles I’d argue the opposite.

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I agree- ish…

But I just have this … thing…

She’s speaking in a past tense ( if she was crying for help, maybe, but it framed as ā€˜was’)

She’s speaking to Oprah

If you are reaching out, truely reaching out, it doesn’t strike me as situation it would happen

If you want to truely lead by example/give hope to others is that the right way to go about it? Sitting in that setting, from that lofty perch… that’s just as likely to deter anyone with MH issues than inspire them.

Whichever way you frame it, whether it’s true or not, it’s a narcissistic way of relating your experience, with a narcissistic aim as an end result.

Only if she’s lived under a rock all her life. Anybody with a passing knowledge has half an idea of what’s required. Dating a prince then getting engaged? She knew full well.

Regarding the whole mental health thing, anybody on here honestly say they’ve never thought about topping themselves? Not something we’re paid to advertise though so we tend to keep it under wraps.

I agree that leaving the family then expecting them to pay for security is petty. Harry and Meghan are sitting on a fantastic nest egg effectively paid for by the public and thats what they should be digging into for security. If they can’t make their life work with the $50-60m he’s sitting on then I don’t think they can get sympathy.

As for the royal titles, did she say specifically that she really wants them for her children? I haven’t watched the interview but from quotes I’ve managed to see online the discussion with Oprah was about why the royal family were discussing changing the 1917 protocol during Meghan’s pregnancy where grandchildren are given a title, which would come into effect once the Queen dies. It feeds into Meghan’s belief that race is playing a part in how she and her children are treated - whether its true or not - and not really about having her cake and eating it.

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I disagree. The typical North American portrayal of what it means to be royal and in particular the Royal Family is a massive distortion on the reality of marrying into the Royal Family. She had such a flimsy grasp as to our own Royal Family that she didn’t even recognise her date as being Prince Harry when they were first paired together by a mutual friend.

For many in North America marrying a prince means becoming a princess (so why didn’t she? so the question goes), being waited on, being rich, glamour, prestige, jewels, it’s what disney has been selling to kids for generations until only recently has there been any kind of backlash about encouraging young girls to have marrying a prince as the ultimate aspiration.

The way the press in North America covers our own Royal Family is entirely different to how the press in the UK does. Her perception of the RF will have been shaped by the pretensions of what it means to be royal and the portrayal of the royal family as given to her.

That maybe the case but did you meet your inlaws at their house a few times before you proposed? I virtually lived there. (Your MIL was a great cook)

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