UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

While I completely agree I bet this will still be water of a ducks back as far as the polls and voting in future elections is concerned.

Somerset has voted Rees-Mogg into parliament since 2010, same with Pritti Patel (Witham). I honestly don’t get it. Even if you were a Conservative voter, I think you’d seriously have to disconnect yourself from reality to vote for those 2 people. Same with voting Johnson into no. 10 I guess.

That got me thinking about the press (again) and we’re back to that same point on where people get their information from and the people providing that information.

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The problem wasn’t closing the coal mines. That was the right thing to do. The problem was Thatcher’s complete indifference to the employment void this left in its wake.

Coincidently, this was the exact conversation I had in my entrance interview for my Environmental Science Degree 25 years ago.

Thatcher did on some level ‘get’ climate change. She was talking about it in the eighties when no other leader was. But I don’t think the programme of pit closure she initiated had anything to do with that - she just wanted to destroy a heavily, and militantly, unionised industry.

Still, there are huge swathes of the north, midlands and Wales still suffering from the industrial decline the Tories created. Labour ought to be hammering this issue in their former heartlands.

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How do you come to that conclusion when all that was happened was that instead of buying UK coal the UK bought Polish coal?
I suppose Johnson has just created a new myth. :cry:

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Yeah, that’s true. The long term plan should have been the closure of the coal mining industry but the replacement of it with a mass move towards renewables and other green industry.

As I said, I don’t think Thatcher was thinking of climate change when she went after the pits. She was attacking a militant, unionised industry, with complete disregard for the well-being of those communities.

It still wasn’t the most evil thing she did though. That was the right to buy sell off of the council housing stock.

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Weren’t many miners offered very good severance packages as part of the closures?

Just wondering about this to fill in some gaps I have more than anything. I’ve seen close hand what mine / industry closures does to a community

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As I have said many times on here I absolutely despise that bitch.

The worst thing she ever did? I think her foreign policy with her association, support and endorsement of some of the most evil regimes ever seen on the planet, is the most vile and heinous of her crimes.

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Regan and Thatcher was truly the axis of evil. :rage:

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Quite right, well said.

British coal was replaced by cheaper Polish coal, a coal which has a far worse impact on the environmental.

Polish coal is a bituminous soft coal with a much higher tar content than the British coal it replaced. As a consequence, when burned, it generates substantially higher quantities of pollutants including Sulphur Dioxide and Hydrogen Sulphide, both of which make a significant contribution to acid rain.

How anyone can say that closing British pits before there was a viable less polluting alternative, and replacing its output with a more polluting product, “was a good thing”, beggars belief.

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Nothing to see here, move along. All good, no problem.

I honestly wonder how some of these corrupt politicians haven’t already finished their lives since with their heads on a spike… :laughing:

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Only happens to royalty apparently … :cry:

Disgraceful from the government. It needs to reverse this immediately.

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Arguably par for the course for this government…

Correct me if I’m wrong here but has Javid just said that people voluntarily stayed away from NHS services during the pandemic? :confounded:

Anyone fact checked his extra £29bn claim?

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1427930939750035461
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1427933549529747458
https://mobile.twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1427948626328834059
https://youtu.be/tbMp7GHhdqs

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Saw this. Both were very good.

Overall Johnson and Raab took a bit of a pasting this morning

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Still not one of them for moving

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This is not surprising, they have no shame. Parasites.

Yeah this guy is directly responsible for not helping people under his charge in the biggest foreign policy event in years. I’m reading this morning that he delegated an urgent phone call that actually never happened in the end. Happy to be on holiday though.

It’s pure and simple negligence.

There is a precedent for this type of shambolic leadership. Lord Carrington immediately stepped down following the invasion of the Falklands. Raab is equally, if not more inept and lazy.The man should step down immediately.

From Wikipedia -

Carrington was Foreign Secretary when Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands on 2 April 1982. He resigned from the position on 5 April, taking full responsibility for the complacency of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in its failure to foresee this development[25] and for the misleading signals sent by the Foreign Office on British intentions.

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