I don’t think you’re a wanker. I think Farage is a wanker. Rees-Mogg. That crew.
I just think you swallowed a lie.
What about the lie in the original referendum that us joining was going to be on a trading basis only and not a political union? Or is that lie ok ? Because this is the reason that many people (pensioners) who were eligible to vote in the first referendum voted to leave, because they were then proceeded to be lied to by successive labour and Tory governments of what was happening. You make out the EU is a wonderful utopian society, it gives fuck all fucks to democracy , for example please list the countries other than Britain who had a referendum to leave the EU, that was then allowed to implement the will of the people of that nation to insert its own political free will ?
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Then you have zero clue as to why so many voted to leave. But you did call BREXIT voters wankers so there we go. Your assumptions are so far off base you’re in a different diamond.
BREXIT was NEVER about what any politician said.
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No I didn’t. I referred to Brexit wankers and clarified what I meant by that after it triggered you.
If you are referring to the referendum in the 70’s, then i’m afraid you are mistaken, it was never just about trade - we already had a trade agreement. It was always about stronger political and economic union. I provided links in the old TIA thread to newspaper articles and statements from leading politicians from the 60’s and 70’s on this.
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I really need some clarification on these two questions / statements. They both seem odd to me. The first is the UK is the only country and it has delivered the referendum result.
The second must be what the press has said I assume which really doesn’t help. Maybe it was about money? Plenty said on that too. I’m honestly struggling.
Yeah, I get triggered by your generic blanket insults. Odd that.
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Then can you please be reassured that the term Brexit wanker as I used it referred to the leading politic and public figures who championed Brexit. Not people who voted for it, and certainly not those who were so devastatingly lied to and will suffer worst from its consequences.
Is that OK? Does that help you recover from what must have been a really distressing experience?
Meanwhile, I’m still waiting for @Kopstar to clarify his comments about me thinking Brexit voters are thick, which I clearly didn’t say.
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Why not just apologise or pull the post or say I got that wrong? You’ve done this before and the self justification (and it has to be added) for a member of the site team is tiresome. Own your mistakes and misposts or stand by them, don’t come up with a limp yes but I didn’t mean you. Your post was crystal clear. Stand by it or retract it.
Yeah I’m not sure what the point is. The EU allowed them to carry out a democratic referendum ( even if tainted heavily by lies from Leave) which the UK delivered on.
Now compare that to what the UK are doing with Scotland’s right to leave now that England tore up the roadmap: “Nup. You had your vote back before we fucked you over and completely and irreparably damaged your future. You aren’t having another one”.
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So good of the EU to “allow them” the point is they voted to leave and so the EU and those nations respective governments ignored them until they voted their way,…you talk of heavily tainted by lies , quite simply put both sides lied and tbh it’s a disgrace that this is the only system we have
Your other point about Scotland ? Well they had a referendum and the majority voted to stay in the UK , so what’s your point ? That they should be able to have a EU type referendum until they get the desired result ?
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I do stand by it. I know exactly what I meant. And a couple of you were obviously hurt by your own inference that you were one of the ‘Brexit Wankers’ I referred to, which you weren’t. So I was happy to provide a clarification for you.
Meanwhile, in this thread @kopstar accused me of calling Brexit voters thick, which I categorically never said. I pointed that out, and a couple of other people weighed in to call him out on it too. Not a fucking dickie bird since. If apologies are being doled out, I’d quite like one as well.
Sorry, I’ve been with my family.
It was apparent you were calling Brexit voters either thick or gullible. It was impossible to know which. You’ve since clarified that you weren’t calling them thick so by deduction, you were calling them gullible.
What the actual fuck is going on here?
My actual words that I actually typed was that they were sold a lie. That doesn’t imply anything. It mean they were lied to, which I don’t think is even controversial anymore.
I’ve got you telling me what I meant when I said people were being lied to, and @Klopptimist telling me what I meant when I referred to Brexit Wankers. Do I get any say in what I mean when I say something? Or is that not how our brave new world works.
No, your words were “I obviously feel very sorry for ordinary people who voted for Brexit because they were sold a lie.”
So not just that they were sold a lie but that this was why they voted for it. The natural inference is that you were suggesting they were either thick or gullible to not recognise they were being lied to. You’ve since clarified that you weren’t suggesting they were thick.
Being thick or gullible doesn’t come into it. A lot of people got lied to and they believed the lie.
You seem to be suggesting that it’s impossible to be lied to if you aren’t thick or gullible. I don’t think that’s even remotely true. It’s incredibly arrogant to assume that if you are clever enough you can’t find yourself believing a lie. Others have also said as much.
I politely suggest that you and Klopptimist need to back off on this. You are putting words in my mouth, taking my comments to mean something I neither said or implied to land a cheap blow. That’s not OK. It’s incredibly bad form on both your parts.
I get that you want to defend Brexit, an increasingly difficult task, but you need to engage fairly.
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“Brexit wankers” is utterly and absolutely clear. Pretty “Oh I didn’t mean you” is simply bollocks.
Pardon?
That makes no sense. UK voted to leave in a referendum. The EU and UK government respected that result. There was a transition period to allow future trading arrangements to be addressed and now the UK has left.
Shame the UK screwed up those 4-5 years.
But I guess everyone voted for garages without fuel, empty shelves and French turkeys for Christmas.
Can you name one lie by the remain campaign please?
As they never tired of reminding us, they knew what they were voting for.
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I thought it was the EU’s fault, or not the Brexit I wanted?
There’s no chance of putting this right when there’s outright denial of the problem.