You’re way off. We’re pissed off because the deal that was negotiated could have been done better by a 5 year old. MOst of us have moved on and are slating the deal not the referendum.
Companies leaving. It’s not over yet but Honda in Swindon have gone. Airbus still thinking about it and who has the government propped up in Sunderland again? Exports from the UK fell by £0.6 billion while imports rose by £1billion. I will say some sectors have done better than others.
EU army. Personally I don’t see the concern. Time to get over thinking the UK is a big player. Plus ever heard of a veto?
How can you fix a problem when half the population won’t admit there is one despite sitting in a queue to buy petrol?
Did I imagine that doomed administration being toppled, and Boris Johnson securing the leadership of the party and a sizeable majority in an election on the promise of ‘getting Brexit done’?
I’d say recession, border in Ireland, Back of the queue for a US trade deal and I’d also say the jobs one’s will be interesting to watch over the next 12 months.
Covid pretty much put a stop to most things so I don’t think we’ve seen the worse yet.
For clarity without Covid I don’t think the UK’s economy would be that special.
Didn’t the Bank of England have to put emergency liquidity in the UK economy to stave off a recession? I certainly remember them having to put in a lot of emergency measure when the pound dropped off a cliff following the result.
@Mascot, I feel bad for you. It’s not even international break and there’s like 60 posts a day in this thread. Being the admin next week when there’s absolutely nothing else to talk about is going to be hell in here
The problem was that there was absolutely no deal to be had. The EU might have chucked us a few carrots, but the reality was that we walked into those negotiations with the attitude of a child telling its parents it would make itself sick if it couldn’t have more ice cream.
We had no hand to play. It was a terrible deal because it could only ever be a terrible deal.
Leave Wankers (again, hope I’m clear by now what I mean by that) succeeded in convincing the British Public that the EU we’re going to allow us to keep all the benefits of membership, while following none of the rules. Because we are Great Britain and they need us. That’s infantile.
I still think MPs should have voted for May’s deal. Yes it was shit, but in reality we were going to get no better, and Brexit could not be reversed, as a fair few on the remain side had deluded themselves.
That’s fine if that’s the point you had tried to make, but since it was about what people believed they were voting for it was yet another disingenuous point from you.
Pretty sure BoJo was still London Mayor at the time, and as ISMF says, the average joe doesn’t pay much attention and probably had no idea who the likes of Rees-Mogg were.
Most people voting would have expected Cameron to be in charge of Brexit. Those that thought he would resign would have expected whoever took over would be in charge. ie. Theresa May.
I actually think that if May hadn’t blabbed about red lines there was something serious and feasible available. I do want to study this a little more but May basically declared her hand before even speaking to the EU.
I then think Johnson, Frost and co went in there without an ounce of knowledge on what they dealing with. I believe they actually believed their own propaganda on being the easiest deal in history. Interesting that Frost is reversing so quickly from the deal he negotiated.
Kopstar was having a tongue in cheek pop at me that I thought Covid 19 was the fault of Brexit. However, I think it’s certainly reasonable to say that a huge reason why we ended up with a Government so lacking in competence to deal with it was because of Brexit. By 2020 Boris Johnson is scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to form a cabinet of Brexit faithful, while more competent politicians have been purged or marginalised.
There is obviously a dollop of hindsight in that, and I wouldn’t suggest anyone could foresee a pandemic, but you do reap what you sew when it comes to elections.
You allow a character as lacking in basic competence and as shallow as Johnson to become leader of a Political Party and then allow him to run the country with a cabal of people as ill-suited as him, when the big crisis happens it isn’t going to go well.
It’s probably worth remembering at this point that the rules-based EU decided to unilaterally breach its own rules at this point (Article 50) by separating out the terms of withdrawal from the terms of the future relationship.
This was the point you made. How can the choice on the table be for the Mayor of London, two people most would never had heard of at that point and the leader of UKIP.
We have left on our own terms. How else can you leave? The UK got pretty much what it asked for. It was offered several things but refused them because they involved some concessions like fishing access or freedom of movement.
Damn those drivers might have been handy right now. And them fruit pickers, and those abattoir workers.
But how could the deal have been done better? What specifically could have been done? Sure IMO it could have been massaged here and there, and prioritising niche sectors like fisheries at the cost of others just because it looks better in print was a poor strategy.
You mentioned Brexit meaning different things to different people. How do you marry up a deal to what people voted for, even for the majority of Brexit voters? I think what’s come to light over time is that people wanted to be ‘free of the EU shackles’. (whatever that means). How do you deliver that without staying opted into the 4 freedoms? You can’t is the answer. Frictionless trade across the Irish border for example wasn’t possible.
As for frictionless trade, no trade is truly frictionless but you could certainly have maintained a largely equivalent situation under Efta/EEA. Under May’s deal, it would have been even better - but that was torpedoed mostly by the Remain lobby who still thought Brexit could be thwarted. Twats.
Firstly, Boris Johnson wasn’t the mayor of London at the time of the referendum. He had already announced his intention to not seek re-election and secured a parliamentary seat well ahead of the 2016 vote, and Saddiq Khan was the newly elected mayor having won the election a month earlier. Who is being disingenuous now?
If my memory serves, when Cameron resigned just after Brexit Johnson threw his hat in the ring, and was considered the front runner until Gove knifed him.
My point was that Brexit would be shaped delivered by people like Johnson, Gove, etc. Farage was not in the government, but clearly an influential voice in the debate. A sensible, intelligent withdrawal was not on the table.
