I’d have thought that was fairly self-explanatory?
Since I have an early start tomorrow, i’m going to have to leave you hanging though.
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Nope. The BofE only had to say that the money was there if needed and that was enough on its own to calm the markets. Just as Carney knew it would be.
Carney was a major player in the disingenuous messaging about the economy leading up to the Referendum. Absolutely shameful.
And the Brexit Wankers who thought we could do better, or wanted no deal.
OK. So it needed an intervention from Carney then.
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Yes, a small group were from the ERG but 90% of those against were remainers.
Eh?
All it needed was a statement. As Carney well knew. The BofE can move markets just with what it says, without even actually doing anything.
Don’t know who Carnegie is.
This is correct. However but has no relevance since to the electorate they would know Boris as that guy from Have I got News for you and the London Mayor, not as the PM.
This is not who Joe public believed would be in charge of Brexit, so yes, your point remains disingenuous.
It’s the autocorrect on my phone. Another one who seems to know what I mean better than I do.
I don’t think it’s quite that simple.
The Labour Party voted against it on principle, the reason being that there was a better deal to be done (which I personally disagreed with).
Ironically had Bercow selected a Labour amendment pushing for Parliament to have greater control over the next phase (you remember, that Parliament who’s sovereignty this was supposed to be about) that would have probably dragged enough Labour votes to get May over the line.
Saying it was torpedoed by 90% remainers is a bit over simplistic, and probably untrue.
Come on, you are being silly now. Boris Johnson was the most high profile leave politician. It was a massive coup for Leave to get him. He pretty much fronted the campaign.
And then as soon as Cameron walked, as he was always going to have to, Johnson was at the front of the queue for the job.
But my point wasn’t that the electorate should have known that Boris was going to become the Prime Minister, it was that Brexit was going to be shaped and delivered by that bunch of prominent leavers.
Negotiation of international trade deals has always been the preserve of the Executive. Affording Parliament a say was pretty calamitous and a symptom of May’s fragile majority. It may even have disappeared entirely by the 3rd vote?
May’s failure to increase her majority following the triggering of Article 50 was probably the biggest political self-destruct in recent UK history.
I’d say leaving the European Union is slightly more significant that a trade deal. I know that was part of it, but the process being controlled by Parliament is not a particularly outrageous request - especially as all we fucking heard through the campaigning from the leavers was lamentations over the sovereignty of parliament.
Triggering Article 50, effectively setting herself a ticking clock, which she was under little pressure to do, was absolutely bananas.
There was a comprehensive failure post 2016 to communicate with the electorate about a realistic timescale for Brexit. May allowed the ERG gammons to dominate the process with there calls to leavejustfuckingleavedoitnowandjustfuckingleaveleaveleave
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Agreed. At the very least she should have nailed down that the EU would actually respect the complete terms of Article 50 before triggering it.
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MotD calls.
I’m just going to leave at this, since you seem like the kind of person who is never wrong.
You probably have a lot or reasonable and pertinent points to add to to a politicial discussion, but your obsession with always having to lace them with an insult means that you end up cheapening your argument.
If you have a point to make, make it, don’t say something entirely different to the point you are making just so you can have yet another pop at Boris and his crew.
Brexit wanker is a case in point. It adds nothing to the discussion, undermines the point you are making and serves only to confirm the viewpoint at the time of Brexit that the remainers had no platform, just a campaign of name calling and fear mongering.
As a mod, you could set the tone for a decent discussion in this thread and the religion thread, but repeatedly you choose to just insult things you don’t agree with.
If you are totally convinced that the incumbent goverment is doing a pretty shit job and Brexit has been handled badly (neither of which I’m disputing), just stick to the facts and you will be right every time, and of your ‘facts’ are proven to be incorrect, just own it instead of pretending you were implying something else all along.
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Is my memory right in thinking that Johnson also voted against May’s deal?
Not the third time. Think he did on the first two though?
The biggest mistake was after the vote, the UK parliament started the clock ticking by ratifying article 50. Once that was done, the outcome was going to be shit as we only had 2 years to resolve the issues.
This meant a lack of consultation on what Brexit the UK population wanted, it meant a lack of time to prepare, and a lack of time to negotiate trade agreements (most take 5-10 years). To an extent Brexit could have been performed in an orderly manner. Difficult questions would still need to be answered (some which have no easy solution), but it all feels as though everything is being done without careful consideration.
Take the main benefit of Brexit. In theory we should have trade deals more tailored and suited to the needs of the UK (perhaps in select areas where we want to grow the UK). Instead we get Liz Trust going around the world signing up as many FTA as she can. It does not seem a coordinated plan or strategy.
Multiple stages could also have been negotiated. Imagine a stepwise transition occurring over 10 years or longer. Instead we the UK is subjected to a short sharp shock, where not everything has been planned, thought about or put in place.
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And that’s the point in the discussion where you decide to throw in a completely random, passive aggressive adhominem attack. Nice.