A field being subsidised to do nothing is by definition never going to produce food so if it closes, no more or less food is produced.
We knew about the fallow principle hundreds of years ago. Iām talking about a farm being paid to produce nothing to support farms in other countries.
I know a bloke whoās been unemployed for years. Doesnāt want to drive a truck or kill pigs for a living. Heās holding out for a position in upper management.
I used to pack frozen burgers for a living. Iāve driven cows to the slaughter house which Iāve fed and looked after (as you do) and driven trucks. There are now thousands of jobs available, we have thousands of unemployed. Itās not a complicated situation but then it never is.
So if anyone has joined the thread late, donāt fret. The thread is Groundhog Day and will repeat approx. Every three months so no need to scroll back through it. In summary:
āYou donāt understand us. Youāll never understand us and why we voted Brexitā
āItās about ECJ. Itās about milk and honey. Itās about the EU chains. Itās about the EU military (recent addition). Itās about taking back control of our fisheries. Itās the vibe. Andā¦noā¦itās the vibe.ā
āBoris is bad and has blood and corruption on his hands, but heās at least probably better than the alternativeā
āBrexit wankersā (fact)
I never said it was perfect. It isnāt. What I am saying is simply wiping it out of existence is an equally big problem. Just because something doesnāt fit with your views doesnāt mean that itās 100% wrong. The truth is a lot of UK farms rely on it. The UK needs to reduce a viable alternative but at the moment thereās just a lot of talk.
Itās another problem to be fixed. Wiping it out without creating something better creates a bigger problem IMO.
So letās go a step further. Is it reasonable for you to set up a business (farming / pub / manufacture) and be paid to do nothing by the government to prop up another business somewhere else?
Itās not a great system, itās frucking loopy.
This is also a depressingly familiar non-contribution from one of the least knowledgeable posters on the forum.
You forgot the fact that I like really bendy bananas.
Fix it then!!!
Meanwhile weāre culling pigs.
The pigs were dead anyway. Theyāre part of a farming system thatās run by the numbers. Iām a huge animal lover and utterly love pigs, theyāre gorgeous animals. And they taste great 
Pigs being killed because people wonāt work is not the pigsā fault nor the farmsā
CAP has never been sensible. Itās needed reform for ages. The trouble is the beneficiaries tend to be very powerful land owners who donāt want that to happen.
But the problem with regards Brexit, is that it is not a simple matter to restart production on British Farms. So we are going to be either importing food as we always were, but at a much increased cost, or struggling to get our our production up and running.
And then, on top of this, as the cherry on top, you have the climate crisis, which is going to devastate agriculture.
Fix it? Easy, stop giving people benefits unless they work and force them to slaughter animals. Then invade Polandā¦ā¦
Godwinās law, I win Ā£5
That is an utterly awful post.
Your honestly trying to blame the unemployed for not jumping into the void of migrant workers that have left. Wow.
Nope, this one trumps your other one.
Huge shame thereās not an ounce of logic, understanding or logic behind either of them. Yes logic twice
Yesterday you told me words have impact. And today here you are, as you so often do, making sweeping generalisations about thousands of people, because I know a fellaā¦ You have some form for this.
To your point, the arithmetic was always simplistic. Thousands of people, thousands of jobs. Dead easy right. Iām sure when the Government were doing their sums on the back of a fag packet thatās exactly what they were thinking.
The only problem is that every single one of those people behind the stats is a human being, with their own agency, choice, dreams, aspirations and circumstances.
The reality is that a lot of the jobs that we are going to find ourselves desperately in need of people to do are the very jobs the British people have not wanted to do for decades. All those jobs have been available to British people
Iām 43 years old with two kids. If I found myself unemployed tomorrow, Iām not going to work as an HGV driver or in a fucking abattoir. It would kill me. Iād never see my kids and I canāt imagine the damage it would do to my mental health.
Iāve done shit jobs like anyone else, but Iām not at the stage of my life where I can take that kind of work on. Itās a young manās game, and Iām sure thatās the case for many of the thousands the Government thinks it can just shuffle around from one shot job to the next to plug the problems itās Brexit has created.
As always there is a massive gap between the theoretical exercise and the reality of dealing with human beings.
Thatās the logic of Brexit. Itās all falling apart because these feckless workshy proles wonāt do the tasks we have ascribed them.
Letās make them destitute until they understand their place.
Yes I have. Because my lived life experience is all I really have to asses life. Yes you can consult studies and read papers on the subject but I give you the video at the end of this post to consider the value of studies. This is the UK politics thread, my stance is simply that people should work. I see no issue in people doing jobs. My point is that I did jobs I didnāt enjoy as I preferred to work than not. As Iāve done that all my life I see no reason why others donāt. Nothing to do with brexit purely available jobs and people are unemployed. Itās very simple.
Iāll view and comment on the world as I see it. I will freely admit that I possibly (HA) count the hits and ignore the misses. Yes I have form on this and I absolutely and utterly accept this.
Anyway, this is my go-to when it ever comes to actual research and studies:
And there is the difference between us. Iād do any paid job to keep a roof over my family.
And I think a fitting end to this weekendās spat.
I honestly a little disturbed by the notion that just because someone is unemployed the state will turn round and say āToday you are an abattoir worker, like it or lump itā.
Unfortunately the world is not so black and white and last time I checked I wasnāt stamped as an engineer on my birth certificate.
Under that logic if a child has to stay at home because their class is closed due to Covid, we should send them up chimneys.
Well, sure. But we are both, at the stage of our lives where we can afford to wait a little and look for something we do want to do.
Iām certain that youāre not signing up to drive a HGV on the Tuesday if you were made redundant on the Monday.
In fact, I suspect the notion that you would be willing to do any job at all, might be a bit of a porky on your part. Maybe when you were 20, but not now.
As I said, Iām 43. I donāt have the energy to spend twelve hours a day picking fruit or wrestling cows into an abattoir.