I guess we will have our own chips then. Any suggestions on names?
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Yeah, but Keir Starmer is āvanillaāā¦
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Cant decide on the appropriate Gif
Lord Frost
āWe set out our concerns three months ago in our 21 July Command Paper. The problem is that too few people seem to have listened.ā
And yet Frost was happy with the agreement which included the ECJ in January 2020.
So either he didnāt know what he negotiated or he was told to push it through and weāll fix it later.
On top of that the ECJ is currently looking at just 24 cases related to trade.
This smells fishy. Pun intended.
Incompetence is not a valid excuse for fucking up, say, a tax return, for the common citizen, so Iām not sure why itās valid for a politicianā¦
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ā¦ Sadly Iām all too aware itās not incompetence. Frost and the other cunts knew they were going to renege on their deal before they even made it. Will be interesting to see if the EU show some balls and tell the UK to fuck off.
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Talk about extremist political correctness ideologyā¦
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The UKās objection is about the CJEU having oversight, yes?
I can understand why thatās an issue. Presumably itās only an oversight in terms of goods coming into NI (from places other than the EU)? In terms of goods moving the other way that is for the UK. This is because NI continues to follow Single Market rules to ensure that there are no barriers to the movement of goods between NI and ROI.
Perhaps the parties could agree to a specially constituted Efta-type Court to preside. You could take the judges from the Efta court (applying EEA rules) and add one judge each from ROI, NI, UK and the EU.
They can then arbitrate disputes between the UK, EU, ROI and NI.
I think thereās more to it than that on the UK side but I also believe that the CJEU is a red line that that the EU are reluctant to move on based on what Iāve read. Why, I couldnāt say unless thereās a wider impact that they dont want to open the door to.
Frost and Co. are playing some kind of game I think.
Look at this fucking snowflake. I know black activist who refuse to talk to white people about race because of fragile people like this.
Mind you, Iām sure that Conservative Central Office will be delighted, because itās being a party strategy to stoke the flames of an imaginary culture war for about a decade now.
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I think @Kopstar will gladly correct me if Iām wrong, but arenāt all the other trade deals that the EU has struck with third-party countries subject to the jurisdiction of the ECJ? If so, then the worry about setting a precedent might be on their mindsā¦
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Thatās all I could think of as well but then they are considering other ārelaxationsā give special case that Northern Ireland finds itself in.
Being honest I find it a pretty complex subject when trying to consider all the angles but I do struggle to get past the fact that the UK negotiated and signed a deal which it is now not happy with, despite numerous warning of the potential consequences. Perhaps my own personal biases are in play here but I wouldnāt blame the EU for sticking to the original deal provided stability in Ireland (North and South) remains.
It comes back to people in the UK needing to stand up and own the problems they have created. Not so much those that voted for it but those creating and pushing the message. Only then do things get properly sorted IMO.
No, EU trade deals struck with third-party countries provide for arbitration by a specially constituted panel where each side appoint one arbitrator and a third is appointed as chair that is a national of neither party (so there could be UK arbitrators on the EU/Japan trade deal, for example - although currently there are 3 US nationals, then 1 each from Canada, Switzerland and South Africa). This is very similar to the dispute resolution procedures in Part 6 of the UK/EU trade and cooperation agreement.
But the issue with the NI protocol is not equivalent to that as it is effectively a state outside of the EEA that is obligated to align with many of the rules of the single-market to ensure that there is no hard border (read as āphysical infrastructureā) on the land border between NI and the ROI. You canāt expect an authority other than that with jurisdiction over EEA rules to be the competent authority here. Hence why its currently the CJEU. I think the best that the UK could hope for would be for the Efta Court to be the ultimate arbitrator here as they apply a more market-based ideology. Perhaps representation could also be provided by NI, UK, ROI and the EU as well so that in addition to judges who specialise in interpreting rules of the Single Market (the Efta Court) they also have judicial representatives (2 each) from each side of the issue specific to the NI/ROI trade movements.
Hereās a flow chart which might be helpfulā¦
However, for the Northern Ireland protocol, where the rules relate to interpretation of EU law it is the CJEU that has exclusive competence in this area. One interesting point to note here is that it is the responsibility of UK authorities to ensure the application of EU law (where relevant) in relation to trade between GB and NI. The EU only has an observer status here. If the EU feels that the UK authorities are not implementing EU law appropriately then they can raise a complaint to the CJEU. UK Courts can also refer a matter to the CJEU if necessary to interpret EU law. Basically, very similar to how it worked when the UK was within the EU but applicable now only to NI.
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