So you didn’t read what you said you agreed with?
We must be talking about the EU’s policy again, huh?
I agreed that it is petty because the solution ultimately comes from cooperation between France and the UK. Yes it shouldn’t be conducted over Twitter and Johnson should not be continuing with his mission to pass all blame onto France but at the end of the day the solution needs both nations working together. Backing out like this just feeds the animal that Johnson is actively poking.
Everyone needs to grow up.
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No, the UK needs to wake up and Johnson needs to grow up. That’s not going to happen, is it?
You aren’t looking at this from the French pov and that’s naive. France invites a UK minister to an EU ‘talk shop’ that’s grown up what ever you say. It’s treated with scorn and contempt, that’s childish and petty. You don’t reward kids otherwise they get worst.
Your tyhe one falling for Johnson’s nonsense not Macron!
You’re right but do you not think that Macron missed an opportunity here to show themselves as the serious and grown up politician? That is my point. Johnson wants to feed his Brexit buddies by showing how evil the EU and France is. Macron just gave him exactly what he wanted.
It didn’t need a reward, more a slap on the wrist and told to go and sit on the naughty naughty step. I remind you that people are dying and Macron has just missed the opportunity to take the upper hand and show France as trying to do everything they can and be serious about it.
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That’s the UK Englander view.
Your not seeing the French position clearly, which i can understand but ignoring what someone who lives in France is saying is a bit silly really.
At some point this Johnson nonsense has to stop, he showed where he was going on this and no self respecting leader would oblige that.
Macron might have his faults but he’s not stupid!
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What is the French perspective?
I’ve said this whole thing is a UK problem and I stand by that but somewhere along the line France needs to help somehow.
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Climate would play a huge part in this - it is far more comfortable to be in a warmer zone when you are homeless than to be in a cold and wet area.
Germany is probably a favoured choice right now because of their previously more open attitude to allowing asylum seekers to enter. There are also substantial migrant communities in Germany now, so a sense of community would be attractive.
The Australian Government, since the turn of the century, has operated a policy of detention for people arriving without visas. Most people are returned, within a year, to their port of origin. There was also a video and press campaign in some countries, highlighting the dangers of Australia, crocodiles, snakes, spiders, etc. This was designed to deter people from considering the risky boat trip and entering “illegally”.
Perhaps a similar media campaign could be undertaken by Boris - send videos to France of Newcastle City Centre on a Saturday night or a compilation of Everton games.
Whatever happens, the boats must be stopped at source to prevent further loss of life. A more nuanced approach must be taken following that - this will require diplomacy - something that is in scarce supply in Westminster. The priority must be to protect human lives.
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Exactly my point.
We have a Lesser Spotted Farage that does an active job at trying to dissuade immigrants from coming to the UK. Far more venomous than any Aussie snake, even the Taipan.
My understanding is that the UK sought to amend the Dublin III protocol to do exactly as Australia does, send people back to the point of origin. They then signed on nothing. I fully understand the EU’s position on this as these people dont originate in France. They have traveled from elsewhere which adds a complication that ultimately needs cooperation but that seems to be remarkably short in the current political climate. Johnson cannot be seen as working with the EU sadly.
1stly Macron sees the UK government as opportunistic and imo it is.
I’ve been over this before (something something fishing something) Johnson’s playing a game. It’s directed againt Macron, I’ll leave you to fill in the rest. Macron is playing it with the cards he’s got and is holding on.
Johnson does’n’t need to ignite the little Englanders however as we can see from @Kopstar 's reactions he’s doing it. On the other hand Macron needs to appear firm at least and that’s what he’s doing.
Whatever your thoughts on Macron he’s the UK’s and France’s best bet at the moment. Why the fuck does Johnson wish to deal with Le Pen or Zemmour is beyond me then again he is a fuckwit.
It’s not possible to deal with fuckwits at an international level, it’s bad enough at a national level.
… and where are France not adressing this?
France will talk with it’s EU partners and seek a consensus.
France will continue dialogue with the UK but not by twitter or though fuckwitted ministers.
It’s the correct course!
We’re in agreement. All I’m saying is that Macron missed a chance to take the upper hand and show Johnson for exactly what he is and what he is doing. His actions have only demonstrated to Johnson’s supporters that he is right.
Macron should have highlighted that what is happening is exactly as a consequence of what the UK signed up to and that he looks forward to resolving the issue and will continue to do everything possible to save lives. Then a slap by saying that he doesn’t like doing discussions on Twitter when people are drowning.
Where France needs to help is agreeing that somewhere and somehow asylum applications into the UK needs to happen in France. That’s the only way of cutting the link to the criminal gangs that are supplying the boats. The UK needs to staff it and pay for it but France need to allow it. Contingency also required for failed applications etc. as well.
It needs to go beyond that although that would be a start. This is first a global issue but then on a smaller scale the circumstances we find in northern France are a consequence of a porous EU border. Hopefully the UK doesn’t adopt the EU Frontex approach but to avoid such extreme measures will require cooperation and multilateral discussions with France, the EU and other channel countries. It’s absurd to freeze any relevant party out of such talks if you’re genuine about solving this crisis.
All potential destination countries need to acknowledge their role in why there is a migration crisis in the first place.
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As far as I am aware he already did exactly that. Maybe it’s just not been reported in the UK media, or whatever. I have watched it in our news.
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I haven’t seen it no. Only that France has withdrawn from talks.
I’m just not convinced pulling out of the talks is the right solution. He probably felt he had no choice but that doesn’t save lives and it gives Johnson exactly what he wanted.
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No he didn’t. He dodged a torpedo attempt.
A twitter tweet that hijacks the agenda is surely prempting something, Macron couldn’t take that risk. As it is Johnson doesn’t get a hand and Macron can promise France will do stuff from our side. Macron wins, sorry!
Why the fuck would Macron be bothered about Johnson’s supporters?
This is what I mean your not considering France or Macron yet try to appear reasonable, please get a grip!
this is surely the point though isn’t it?
The UK are not taking it seriously, they are using it as an opportunist moment.
Macron saw through it just in time! Thanks to Johnson.
And yet Johnson can now point to France and simply say they aren’t willing to talk. Macron hasn’t torpedoed anything.
How is the problem resolved by walking away? Johnson is a dick and Macron may well not care about what the UK thinks but as I’ve said this is a UK problem. Johnson is trying to make sure it’s a French problem (it isn’t) so if anything I am 100% taking the French perspective into account here. Walking away has basically meant that nothing gets sorted for yet another week. The boats are still in the Channel. From a French perspective Macron needs to make sure that it is recognised as a UK problem. He cannot be pushed into a position where the perception is that France is not doing enough.
Worth noting that the BBC was a little economic in its reporting of this. The Guardian has the full text. Thanks for the heads up @Livvy
As Macron says it’s a serious problem and will be treated as such by those that are grown up. Noone needs the clowns of the classroom. The message is clear and more than acceptable.
Playing with peoples lives is for twitter not heads of state, Oh wait where is your head of state in this?
he does. How does the EU resolve the issue without Johnson at the table?
That’s the crux of the issue here. Nothing gets solved until the two starting working together.
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When you see it from the other side…