UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Thanks but this 100% supports my view.

This message isn’t reported in the UK but ultimately the UK needs to sort the problem by ensuring that far less crossing are made by people in dinghies. That is 100% my point. The UK needs to step up and stop this but it needs assistance from France to deliver it. This doesn’t mean doing what France are currently doing etc. but the UK needs to provide some formal and safe method of crossing. France needs to step in to allow that happen. That gets rid of the dinghies. At the moment Johnson is pushing the rhetoric that this is a French problem. France is rightly pushing back against this but how do you get Johnson to change tack? Walking away doesn’t sort it because Johnson really doesn’t give 5 cents about those drowning in the channel.

Even better would be removing the need for people to leave their countries of origin.

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You can not work with clowns. Particularly grumpy clowns who’s sole opjective is to torpedo everything. Oh I know it’s funny particularly when lives are at stake. As we keep getting reminded on here thousands die everyday.

Then walk away and watch people drown. Is that helping?

perhaps I’m being too idealistic in just wanting to stop the boats? They aren’t safe and I’m focused purely on the rather simple solution. A solution that doesn’t get resolved on Twitter or by walking away.

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Really trying to square this crisis with the ‘first safe country’ rule of asylum.

Turning someone away isn’t walking away!
I set out what France would do even before hearing Macron’s press conference, where he clarified my proposals.
Why do you persist with walking away, in what sense has France walked away?
Refusing to talk to clowns is normal imo.

Isn’t that simple people got there by moving and move on, what don’t you understand?

Why are you so angry?

Again how does excluding the UK from discussions from what is a UK problem solve the issue? It achieves nothing. Basically France is going to have discussions with the EU about a problem which they cant solve yet they need to be involved in. Yeah that helps.

If Macron feels that the only way to sort this is to walk away and drop it squarely in the UK’s lap then best of luck to him. It’s a real option but I dont think it helps the people in boats and to my mind that is what is important here.

Worth noting that most people that have left Syria have sought asylum in Turkey, Lebanon etc.

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That is not asylum under international law, that is the whole point of the ‘first safe country’ rule. I completely understand why we in Canada have Honduran refugees showing up in Quebec, the American government doesn’t recognize Honduran asylum claims as legitimate. I don’t see the analog in this case.

So for you the only issue is that which involves the UK?
Ok center of the world syndrome.

What makes you think/feel I am angry?

Apart from addressing the global issue of people running from their countries of origin with nothing but the clothes on their backs then boats in the Channel is a UK problem isn’t it? Are you now suggesting that it’s a French issue also?

There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country.

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@Flobs

Rather than just telling me to get a grip how about providing a clear indication of the wider issue here then. I’m a lowly engineer that provides solutions. I only deal in solutions,I solve problems. Clowns are dealt with regularly, every day in fact. It should be part of the job description.

You deal with clowns carrying torpedos? :astonished:

There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country
Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

"There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

The EU does run a system – called the Dublin Regulations – which allows one EU country to require another to accept responsibility for an asylum claim where certain conditions apply."

The relevant conditions include that the person is shown to have previously entered that other EU country or made a claim there. This is supposed to share responsibility for asylum claims more equitably among EU countries and discourage people moving on from one EU country to another. But it doesn’t work.

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Every fucking day. :unamused:

Practically asked to split the Red Sea using a piece of string and a rubber band.

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I understand this - but EU law is no longer really relevant to this case, hence the problem. While there is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any given country, the ‘first safe country’ rule governs the obligations that states have to receive and accept asylum seekers.

On the other hand, the Dublin Regulation would have given the UK the framework to return refugees to France.

It is one hell of a mess - the ‘if they reach it’ rules are doing a horrible amount of work in these cases.

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Surely I’ve done that. It’s that Johnson and Pratel are clowns and like me Macron doesn’t deal with clowns. :innocent:

Worth a look here

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The refugees know that they can’t be sent back now when they arrive in UK, that’s why they are doing it. At least that’s how it’s been reported in our media.

Where’s the evidence on this?

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