UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Power to the problem!!!

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Yup

Itā€™s actually interesting that thereā€™s no denial that the UK will be screwed when Brexit hits.

Sadly it appears that she is some kind of special creature.

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Perhaps this could have been admitted when the process was active; you know, like most remoaners had suggested, we would be screwed, tapped and died.

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Isnā€™t there something that Dildo Hardingā€™s husband has been appointed as te chair of today / near future as well?

Kind of nervous that Dildo will be in charge of distributing a COVID vaccine if and when it arrives as yet again she is in front of a select committee stating that track and trace should not be considered a silver bullet.

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Sheā€™s charming, not! :cry:

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So Lee Cain is leaving his post after an apparant falling out with others at No.10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54907188

Some tweets out there suggesting Cummings and a number of others to follow.

Not sure if its a good thing that BoJos advisers are possibly all out.

The idea that these imperial troops were fighting for democracy is pretty damn lame to say the least. Fighting for money is more than a tad more likely, or some other reason, but definitely not democracy. This is just a very stupid thing to say, bordering on insensitive. It is some strange awkward form of revisionist history that surely must come from her own ignorance (alternatively, she is lying which is worse):

After all, these troops on those pictures came from here:

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At least some Indian troops were explicitly motivated by the idea of independence (and presumably in a democratic form), with the sense being that an India that had fought alongside the Allies would have a seat at the table in what came after. It worked for Canada.

Many of the leaders of the post-colonial world came from those Commonwealth militaries, and not all of them were particularly friendly to the British.

However, the phrasing is ā€˜fought to defend democracyā€™, which is entirely possible even if it was not a democracy that would apply to them, nor what motivated them.

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Do you really believe colonial troops from Hindukush and Africa fought in World War 2 on behalf of the British Empire to defend democracy ? I have studied a bit world war 2, more than amateurs, and I donā€™t think that would be true for more than a select very,very few individuals.
It is a sound byte, she may mean it well, but it is still not true and it is revisionism even though she may mean it well in that she wants to give them a positive spot light (I guess thatā€™s her motivation). That some of them may have fought for their own future freedom is something else entirely.

Edit: Misread your last paragraph. Thought you said motivation.

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I was fascinated to learn recently that Thailand sent some troops to the western front during the first World war to join the fight against Germany.

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Perhaps some of the ā€œcolonialā€ troops fought to defend their own countries from the future threat of fascism. It was the British Empire that fought WW2 not just Britain.

There was no conscription in India - enlisting was voluntary. Some recruits saw it as a way to earn money. Some felt a duty to Britain - there are a myriad of reasons why somebody joins up.

Indian regiments (formed from POWs) also fought on the side of Germany and Japan - with the promise of Indian independence following WW2.How solid that promise was will never be known.

During WW2 the Imperial Indian forces were under orders from London - to have disobeyed any of those orders would have had severe consequences.That is how it is in the military.

What I am getting at here is to dispel any revisionist impression that the ā€œcolonialā€ forces were forced by Britain to participate in the war effort. Existing ā€œcolonialā€ regiments that were under British command were sent to fight all over the world. The fact that Britain was a colonial power at the time of WW2 does not make it wrong that ā€œcolonialā€ forces were commanded to fight fascists. Italy, France and the Dutch were also colonial powers at the time - all called upon their ā€œcoloniesā€ to provide troops.

Everybody should give thanks that the soldiers of the British Empire stood against the Nazis - Each and every one played a part in defeating that terrible tyranny.

Instead of saying ā€œto defend democracyā€ Diane Abbott would have better said - "to defeat the forces of Fascism and tyranny. She, once again, failed to say what she really meant.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Who is this Diane Abbott :face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

Iā€™m going to defend Diane Abbott here.

People often argue that standing up against fascism was a fight for democracy. Sometimes they go further and say it was a fight for freedom/liberty. Whatever the true motivations for going to war (and there were many) I donā€™t think it is entirely wrong to say that the allies were fighting for democracy. Itā€™s also fair to say that countries from around the empire were encouraged to support the British effort with promises of independence in return so I donā€™t think it is a stretch to say that their soldiers fought for freedom/liberty/democracy not just from Nazi Germany but also from Britain.

You canā€™t possibly put all the reasons why people fought against fascism in one tweet but to me it is fairly obvious the angle she is seeking to tap into here. Sheā€™s using a common narrative (to defend democracy) to commemorate the actions of all those from around the commonwealth, juxtaposed to the behaviour of Trump.

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Itā€™s called a hook. I wanted to grab peopleā€™s attention :rofl:

Iā€™d also like to think I try to be fair. I may not always succeed, but I try. Mostly I do so by having a go at everyone. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Youā€™ve obviously forgotten Mauro Icardi and that other chick lady person who he goes weak at the knees for.

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Sam Quek says Hi.

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