UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

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Easy. Probably uses the same trick as my wife, just wait until they sit down and then…Boom!

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I said earlier in this thread people under Boris were unsackable.

“the lack of feedback”

That is a line inserted by the author to well, um soften the blow and in the very least make her at least seem professional. That along with the comment on the office not being flexible enough.

Truth is when you’re being bullied you don’t tell them that they are doing it. In actual fact you probably don’t tell anyone.

Anyone care to elaborate on what the hell is going on in government right now. It feels like we’re on a really dangerous road to me.

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Well, this is interesting…

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This is disputed by Rutnam.

He said he at no stage was asked to give evidence for the report. But he on multiple occasions tried to engage with her about her behaviour.

He describes how he told her that it was unacceptable to continually shout and swear at staff and mental health implications. From shortly after she started, over a 6 month period.

To be honest if any truth I agree that in most industries she would have been sacked. Especially given back in 2015 a former aide took an overdose and received a payout after bullying accusations.

Multiple allegations, from multiple departments coupled with failure to engage in the issue or change behaviour is pretty damning. Rutnam describes enormous efforts were made to change her behaviour.

There is too much smoke, and given very real consequences of her actions she should know better.

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No argument there from me. I hadn’t seen Rutnam’s comments but I can well believe it. Too much smoke as you say and in this case I would say flames with Rutman’s departure.

Fair play to him for standing up and telling her that there was a problem. I bet that put him in the firing line as well.

I know some firms would probably start some kind of training etc. Sacking people can be quite difficult in some instances. Should have been really easy in government though. But the “yes” people are unsackable.

One bonis I guess is that she’s be another Brexiteer that will be in post come January 1st.

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Could that be because of the legal proceedings that Rutnam is instigating against Patel / the government?

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Here is his statement

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It’s a good job these people aren’t in management … oh, wait …! :confused:

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Maybe they’re really good…

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I do wonder at what point those who specifically voted Johnson into power to ‘get Brexit done’ finally say they’ve had enough of the ever sinking standards of British government? Maybe they reached that point on the 24th January, I don’t know. But it must be tiresome constantly turning a blind to their current actions when a lot of these people’s core beliefs conflict so strongly with what the Conservatives actually stand for. I wonder what that tipping point is.

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Yes well Johnson has taken a hit on this for her, his reputation is now somewhat less. The expected public apology has come.

Its implicit in this that she is also simultaneously saying she does not understand the impact of shouting and swearing at colleagues. If we had more context on that my guess is the situation gets worse. But from that hasnt she admitted she is not fit for office, how can a SOS for Home affairs not know the impact of her behaviour

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Yes, has previously been warned that shouting and swearing at people is unacceptable. My comments are based on widely circulated Westminster rumours about her conduct. I know people who work in the service who tell of her reducing people to tears with her tirades about their competence. If you want to split hairs about the behaviour of this fucking monster, that’s up to you.

I’ll just add that if her defence is no-one had told her that her behaviour was inappropriate, she should resign due her completely unsuitability to hold public office. As you point out, Gordon Brown was hounded over his temper by the right wing press and intimately it cost him his job.

But those were different times, when politicians were accountable and held to a certain standard.

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Arrogance would be my guess. Criticism just rolls off like water off a ducks back

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Like a script to a really low budget ‘LA art-house’ movie the cast of which waits to be discovered for cult status.

Yep, sign of the times, everything can be shrouded in language.

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Did I miss the point where it got so cold that shouting and swearing at work was banned? Maybe I’ve been my own boss for too long. Last time I worked for somebody, there was a lot of shouting at staff as I remember and it wasn’t that long ago. In my day, having a strip torn off you when you fucked up was commonplace. Do we really live in such fragile times that this is now banned incase people get offended? My word.

Can’t count the number of posts in here in the match threads along the lines of “Hope Klopp really lays into them at half time” etc.

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Had to do a full Boris to get back in though. Now saying that the anti semitism was not overblown for political gain.

which it obviously was

corbyn should’ve told them to pound sand, he’s debasing himself (like bernie sanders) for people who absolutely despise him

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From the BBC’s report on the subject:

It defines bullying as intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down.

Tearing a strip off somebody for making a big mistake at work (as an example) SHOULD make them feel uncomfortable, less respected and put down. That’s the point.

But then in today’s society, nobody should ever be offended… If you believe that, the end is nigh.

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