UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

I think when making/repeating these sorts of public claims against individuals we have a responsibility to avoid jumping to conclusions. Just my view. There’s a lot of false syllogism going on simply to fit predetermined narratives.

Time to change his nickname to Fishy Rishi.

Except, of course, the right wing press won’t.

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Haha. That’s worse/funnier than Charlie Chaplin coming runner up in a Charlie Chaplin lookalike contest.

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It seems the latest update on this is it did not get regulatory approval, lacking the safety standards certification.

To be used his products should have been certificated by Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency. Even though some companies where granted emergency exemption, Hinpack was not one of them (until it seems late last week or this week).

The responses are laughable with everyone covering their own arse:

Bourne said on Friday : “The stuff I’ve been delivering since June did not require a CE mark", and then claimed the medical and healthcare products regulatory agency told him that.
Government spokesperson said: “Hinpack are not in breach of regulations, no products used in test and trace are used until full regulatory approval has been achieved.”
DHSC said: Hinpack had recently received certification for its products and was going to update its website to reflect this. (They refused to say when it received certification)

All the while, at least one large UK-based manufacturer had capacity, experience and certification for producing vials for tests but was turned down by government Covid contract.

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That’s the key point for me. Why were these existing suppliers ignored. That’s where it stinks.

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I agree. I don’t have a problem with people stepping up and trying to help in a crisis, even if it isn’t entirely altruistic in the sense that they are also trying to survive economically.

If everything is done properly, no favourable treatment, no overcharging, regulatory approval etc, all fine by me. But why would the government turn down companies with existing expertise and capability?

In some instances that may be justified, if the company has got a chequered history in some respects or there is a reason to balance against an incumbent supplier status. But these claims of companies being passed over seem to being made regularly.

What I’m cautious about is making claims of wrong doing against specific individuals without more concrete evidence. The overview stinks but that doesn’t mean everything is stinky.

@ISMF do you have a link indicating Hinpack only got emergency exemption in the last week?

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Sure

Here is the article

They don’t specifically say last week, but confirm it was recently.

The list spoken about (last updated 1st of December and before that mid-November) can be found here

As it stands, it is yet to be updated with Hinpack. By contrast it lists other companies issued authorisation as recently as mid November.

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yep, I dont actually hold anything against the Hinpick fella. Standing up and having a punt is absolutely fine but looking at the time line of events afterwards is really concerning.

Basically he had secured a contract before he was able to deliver anything, and that was over and above known suppliers. I’m inclined not to believe the DHSC spokesperson.

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With Britain leaving the European Union, there are new laws as of January 1 - and that means new regulations in next month’s transfer window, which could have previously restricted the signings of Paul Pogba, Cesc Fabregas and Hector Bellerin among others.

Premier League clubs are to be limited to three under-21 signings each transfer window with all foreign players subjected to a point-based threshold to be eligible to play in the UK.

Players from European Union countries will not be allowed to be signed without a work permit while foreign players under the age of 18 cannot be bought at all as part of post-Brexit regulations, meaning Premier League clubs will have to wait to secure the services of top young talent from abroad.

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Well this will have a serious effect on us in all likeliness. We have one of the best scouting networks for young talented players all over the world. Now, that will fall away almost completely, apart for the British youngsters.

This will favour those who sign finished products for bumper fees and contracts. Let’s see, who could profit most from this? Hmmm… :thinking: Us until a degree, as we are a big, rich club. But it’s a huge kick in the teeth for any idea of developing our own young players, apart from British youngsters, whose fees will of course sky-rocket even higher. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 16-17 years old be transferred for dozens of millions in the near future.

From now on, talents from abroad will have to wait until at least 21 before they join us. Of course, all genuine talents will have been picked up by others before it gets to that, by the likes of Madrid, Barca, Dortmund, Bayern, Juve.

So, it will have to be confirmed talent for insane transfer fees then… it’s annoying, but we’ll have to adapt. The club has probably already started to modify their ways of proceeding, as this was to be expected since some time.

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But it was all worth it, along with the economic apocalypse, loss of personal freedom, rise in racism and intolerance, to get back an outdated and largely Irrelevant concept of ‘sovereignty’.

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You can probably develop links with other clubs, in Europe in particular, where they bring in and develop younger player but give you first option when they are ready to sell them on. Feeder clubs effectively. You may buy their players but allow them to stay a further year, loan your own players to those clubs or give them preferential treatment when selling on your own player. As long as it’s all above board.

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Why 21 and not 18?

Effectively all this means is that players from within the EEA will be treated the same as players from the rest of the world have been treated for years. The GBE points are pretty easy to satisfy. I think this will affect the EFL far more than the PL.

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I don’t think the 3x U-21 limit will be that decisive.

The effect on the bottom half of the PL will also likely be quite dramatic. Most of the young players that clubs like LFC target have some youth caps, that doesn’t appear to be true as you move down the table - seem to be a lot of players with 1-2 caps.

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That’s true. Most likely the GBE will need to be adjusted. Perhaps making the transfer fee threshold an amount relative to an individual club’s turnover rather than an amount calculated in reference to the transfer fees paid by the league as a whole.

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Femi and Owen Jones embarrassing themselves again, I see. This time fighting with each other.

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Their squabble is an irrelevance. Meanwhile…

The “prospect” of a “breakthrough” in post-Brexit trade negotiations between the UK and EU is “receding”, according to a senior government source.

They told the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg that the bloc’s team were “bringing new elements into the negotiation” at the “eleventh hour”.

But the source said a breakthrough was “still possible in the next few days”.

Surely, this must be one of the finest examples of doublespeak. :thinking:

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