If the NHS isn’t struggling can you tell me why my bosses aunty sat in an ambulance for 9hrs outside a hospital last weekend please?
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Which would be true if I’d have brought this up as a whataboutism argument. I didn’t. Somebody else reference the story I knew nothing about. I googled it and posted it here with no reference to Truss or the Conservatives. This isn’t the “kick the conservatives” thread (by title) it’s the politics thread. And as we’re Liverpool fans and there is inescapable history, anything but outright criticism must be judged as seriously biased opinion. If Truss did it, I’d hate her even more but you’d actually admit to doing the same thing in his shoes? Staggering, nay unbelievable.
Also worth noting that the rag in question is pretty right leaning, almost horizontal in fact.
Keir Starmer does not have the luxury of thumbing his nose at an opportunity to speak directly to millions of working class voters.
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Seems a lot like when they switched “their” allegiance to Blair and new labour…won’t be long before Starmer is god father to another Murdoch grand child and the headline will be " it’s the sun that won it "
Fuck Corbyn
Fuck the Tories
Not mutually exclusive positions.
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Certainly starting to have that feeling about it. Saw some headlines in the mail and telegraph today that were far more neutral than you’d normally see.
It takes some doing to produce an economic shock at least comparable to the worst pandemic in a century with policy alone, yet that is what the new government has managed
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So morals go out of the window? Particularly given the fact that you’re a mod on a Liverpool forum? I’m at the point of incredulity.
I’m a mod on a Liverpool forum and not the leader of the opposition, so I’m in a position where I can boycott the Sun and refuse to have anything to do with.
But if you are the leader of a political party trying to win the next election you can’t act like that. You simply have to take opportunities, especially when it comes to a paper like the Sun - who whether we like it or not, are still the go to for swathes of working class voters.
There are people in this country really struggling. People who are worrying how they’ll feed their kids. How they’ll stay warm this winter. People who, after 12 years of the Tories, need a Labour Government. Are you saying Keir Starmer should place a greater value on boycotting the Sun than doing everything in his power to win this election?
That would be incredulous.
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Once you get to 50 you become lazy apparently despite having to wait for NHS treatment with the longest waiting times for some time, if not ever
I can understand someone not voting labour. Simply because I could never vote Tory. Their core values go against what I fundamentally believe in.
You would hope when disillusioned people would vote for instead for Greens, Lib Dems, or SNP. Unfortunately the First past the post system has effectively maintained a two party system as many don’t vote at all (as it’s worthless) or they vote because the fear the other side getting in.
I did it myself with Corbyn in the hope of preventing a Tory Government, rather than belief he was a good leader (lesser of two evils stuff).
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I actually think I’m in the twilight zone. I’m leaving this one for tonight.
I don’t often play the ‘reactions’ game, but I feel pretty secure from reactions that my opinion isn’t a particularly wild or controversial one.
If Starmer boycotts the Sun, not only is he denying himself the opportunity to take his message to people who he needs to win over, a boycott (which would surely become national news) is not just denying himself a platform, it’s also by association insulting the people who read it by suggesting they are ignorant or morally deficient. I think if you read the sun you are ignorant.
Now, I can do that. And you can. So can football clubs. So even can regionally focussed politicians and party branches.
But a leader of the opposition can’t. They just can’t.
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Something to do with Corbyn?
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Not sure what your point is. He’s a pacifist so will obviously be against a military alliance. Love him or hate him, you can’t deny that he has integrity and core beliefs that he’s been consistent to. Unlike Starmer who you suspect will say or do anything to get into power. Maybe that’s what it takes, but I find it sad
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Did a poster pull up another poster for baiting @Klopptimist ?
Hasn’t this poster ever read @Klopptimist’s posts and if he has why the double standards?
Or was he just baiting/taking the piss? 
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Small interjection but Starmer is an Arsenal fan and therefore wouldn’t hold that paper to the same degree that we would. If he were a Liverpool supporter I suspect he may think twice but that’s pure speculation on my part.
Based on that fact, I suspect many a LFC supporter may give him a pass given the alternative of direct damage to their livelihoods, etc. that we currently face.
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Sorry, I dont understand your thoughts here.
Fucking sad state of affairs. Sell your soul to Murdoch and don’t venture from the centre-right, otherwise there’ll be 12 more years of the Tories
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