UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

[deneb]

Finally.

This guy next please:

Dominic Raab: More civil servants planned to lodge complaints

[peterroberts]

Sunak had no choice. To ignore the recommendations would have put him in the same boat as Johnson.

[RedWhippet]

@Klopptimist

Rishi has been slow here but absolutely the right call.

No, he’s fluffed it. If he had sacked him as soon as details of the tax evasion came to light he would have had some fallback of saying that Zahawi had lied to him.

I mean he clearly must have known. I’m assuming that HMRC would have set off the warning bells when he was appointed as Chancellor.

The timing of the announcement won’t be a coincidence. They obviously want to keep some other scandal out of the news. Utter bin fire of a government.

[Mascot]

@Klopptimist

Rishi has been slow here but absolutely the right call. Should have done it when the news dropped but better late than never. Decent bit of spin on it now (throwing him under the delayed bus replacement service due to rail strikes) and that Labour advantage will decay a fraction.

Yeah, Sunak has handled this very well

[Klopptimist]

@Mascot

Yeah, Sunak has handled this very well

That’s not what I said. As you know.

[Mascot]

@Klopptimist

@Mascot

Yeah, Sunak has handled this very well

That’s not what I said. As you know.

Characterising his refusal to move on a tax scandal as just ‘slowness’, is an overly generous appraisal of the situation. As you know.

[redalways]

@Mascot

Your sexuality is a fact of your nature. Your political beliefs are an idea which you can change and adapt through exposure to new ideas, argument and debate.

You are not capitalist is the same way you are heterosexual.

Actually…

Evidence suggests that political beliefs are associated with personality traits, which have an annoying characteristic of being rather fixed, and may have genetic influences.

[redalways]

@Dane

And a bit like being in here where opinions held can only be of the kind you and a select few others approve of.

Opinion – Núñez is an Uruguayan Andy Carroll.
Fact – Núñez misses loads of chances but creates loads of them.

Opinion – We need to let fewer immigrants in.
Fact – There are no legal routes for asylum seekers at the moment.

I think a few people need re-educating on what defines an opinion and what defines a fact.

[redalways]

Always remember, I pointed it out further up this thread.

[Mascot]

@redalways

Actually…

Evidence suggests that political beliefs are associated with personality traits, which have an annoying characteristic of being rather fixed, and may have genetic influences.

I’m really not sure about that link, mate

[redalways]

Charitably I think it was just not very good phrasing on his part.

I think he was referring to the action of sacking Zahawi as “the right call”, which is in my opinion, correct, but also did say Sunak acted too slow.

[redalways]

What do you mean? It’s a link to a 2010 book by Robert Altemeyer called The Authoritarians, where he discusses research into that topic.

[WeeJoe]

@redalways

Evidence suggests that political beliefs are associated with personality traits , which have an annoying characteristic of being rather fixed,

As a psychologist I don’t agree with this, nor does most evidence (or the eye test). Personality develops as people mature. Eg. most people become more emotionally stable over time

[RedWhippet]

Not much about the book. There’s a bio of the author here:

Bob Altemeyer

[redalways]

Which link are you disputing though? It’s not incompatible with what you said to suggest that political beliefs are associated with personality traits.

Maybe the genetic link is weaker, and therefore the “actually” part is incorrect. But I think research presented is pretty compelling about the link between political beliefs and personality.

[anon27364116]

Want to know how you score on the RWA (Right Wing Authoritarianism) Scale by Mr Altemeyer?
Here you go:

Right Wing Authoritarianism Scale

[Dane]

@redalways

@Dane

And a bit like being in here where opinions held can only be of the kind you and a select few others approve of.

Opinion – Núñez is an Uruguayan Andy Carroll.
Fact – Núñez misses loads of chances but creates loads of them.

Opinion – We need to let fewer immigrants in.
Fact – There are no legal routes for asylum seekers at the moment.

I think a few people need re-educating on what defines an opinion and what defines a fact.

Your lame attempt to cement your perceived superiority doesn’t alter the accuracy of my comment.

[WeeJoe]

@redalways

Which link are you disputing though? It’s not incompatible with what you said to suggest that political beliefs are associated with personality traits.

Maybe the genetic link is weaker, and therefore the “actually” part is incorrect. But I think research presented is pretty compelling about the link between political beliefs and personality.

Yes, it was the fixed personality part. Haven’t looked into link between politics and personality to speak with any authority. But suspect the boring/standard answer is that political beliefs develop from a mix of genetic and environmental mental influences, and evolve over time

[Mascot]

@redalways

What do you mean? It’s a link to a 2010 book by Robert Altemeyer called The Authoritarians, where he discusses research into that topic.

Sorry - I don’t know who Robert Altemeyer is. The website just looked a bit sus to me. Self published books distributed for free always rings alarm bells.

[RedWhippet]

@anon27364116

Want to know how you score on the RWA (Right Wing Authoritarianism) Scale by Mr Altemeyer?

I’m 6.8% which I’m assuming is not very fascist?