UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

Did the schools ask their employees if they were going to strike (not the same as asking if they are part of a union) as they are within their rights to? Thats on them if not.

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Just checked and it is definitely a protected attribute. I donā€™t do payrolls so Iā€™m not sure how you would protect it. Thinking on, there is a requirement in Germany to ask for religion for payroll purposes and that definitely is a protected attribute. Thatā€™s not to say that it canā€™t be asked for but the only scope for use is the payroll system.

ā€œApparentlyā€ they canā€™t be asked.

Asked if they are striking? Yes they can. They canā€™t ask if they are in a union.

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There was a move a few years back where the government sort to end the deduction of union subs from salaries so that people would have to pay the unions directly. I donā€™t know whether that was only for central government or public sector as a whole.

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I have a DD for my union subs, they arenā€™t shown on my payslip.

You canā€™t ask if youā€™re in a union but can ask if youā€™re striking.

OK.

Barking.

Whatā€™s really barking is the amount of teachers who want to quit the profession because itā€™s turned into a terrible job and the effect this has had on millions of kids educations.

But lets get irate about one day of inconvenience.

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You donā€™t have to be in the union to strike.

No but itā€™s far more likely. I donā€™t know the figures but Iā€™d imagine those who arenā€™t in unions donā€™t strike. Iā€™d bet thereā€™s a tiny minority of teachers who arenā€™t in a union. Was compulsory for Mrs as a head.

Itā€™s not barking

Itā€™s because there is a demonstrable track record of employers discriminating against union members.

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Ah. Another protected species.

The whole point of a strike is to cause disruption and inconvenience. Why on Earth would unions do anything that helps minimise inconvenience to the school, and therefore the Government.

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No. Itā€™s literally people get fired for union related activity.

Imagine working at Amazon and having to disclose you are in a union. Your feet wouldnā€™t touch the ground on your way out the door.

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When was that? Closed shops have been illegal for over 30 years.

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Imaging working for a service manager by the government. Your bosses, the government constantly ask more from you, but that isnā€™t returned in the way of improved salary or terms. Itā€™s also done in stealth, behind your back through increased bureaucracy and targets that demand more effort and time from you. Imagine not getting a real term pay rise for 10 years, even parity would have been nice.

Imagine working for an employer where you walking out into alternative employment is difficult, less options without a career change.

Welcome to teaching, nursing etc. in 2023 UK.

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The blue one for me.My kids were born when i was 35 so iā€™d still have the same 10 yr olds at that point,Iā€™d regain 7 years of my life as iā€™m now 52 and with the 50 million iā€™d be able to quit the job iā€™m still in which coincidently started causing me health problems at roughly 45 yrs old.

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Parents? Schools?

No idea mate, no idea.

Yep, never vote for me. Weā€™d disagree on unions.

A debate I just canā€™t be arse having.

I think you mean, employee

and yes you do, as you are going to be part of a CBA with the employer and the company needs to know which one you belong to, for the details such as pay and benefits and role/duties as outlined by the CBA.