UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

4 day working week.

Fuck. Me. Sideways.

Donā€™t worryā€¦Iā€™m sure you would be allowed to work 27hrs a day, 9 days a week.

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ā€¦while posting prolifically on TAN

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The curse of working for yourself. You can go shopping at 10am and (as Iā€™m currently doing) clean the rabbits out at 4pm. Then you start on emails and websites at midnight.

Meanwhile, in other news, a group of people whoā€™re told theyā€™re working on a 4 day working week pilot have the nouse to comprehend that working harder will mean they get an extra day off per week.

Work as hard as you can whilst youā€™re being paid you lazy fuckers.

Bloody socialistsā€¦ā€¦

I do it and itā€™s fantastic. Work a full week in 4 days and then rest. Iā€™d add that the work day leaves little room for much else, particularly in Winter and/ or if you have a bit of a commute. No oneā€™s slacking

Iā€™ve previously worked 9 day fortnightā€™s as well. They were also ok.

I concede there are certain areas where it wouldnā€™t work without some radical thinking.

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Iā€™d love to see how a house would get built with a 20% reduction in labour. Or a car or,or,or etc etc etc.

Great for the worker, not so good for the oppressive mill boss paying the salary. Ahem.

I work a 4 day week, itā€™s ace.

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They get built because the productivity in those four days is much higher than it would be over five days.

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Yeah, you do see the problem here?

Wait, what? You feck @Klopptimist sideways?

Oh, you work a four day week?

Well thatā€™s nowhere near as interesting. :thinking::wink::nerd_face:

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Salary is the same, holidays adjusted to account for the working week. It is not a reduction in labour or time. I repeat, we work the same working week but in 4 days. When I did a 9 day fortnight I would work 5.5 days in one week, 4.5 the other. Hours totalled up to be the same as 2 normal weeks.

Now I do agree that construction is a potential problem area. Firstly most construction sites are over 45 hrs a week as a standard working week. So there it is a reduction. Labour costs account (a lot are self employed) for that but most of the plant and machinery is hired in, so contractors will insist on using it to its fullest.

A car is a production line so labour can be rotated accordingly. I think Airbus might actually do that, or similar but donā€™t quote me on it.

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Sad Sponge Bob GIF by SpongeBob SquarePants

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Person A should do work X per week in hours Y. If they can achieve X in Y-20% then they should be paid accordingly to work less hours or be more productive in their actual hours.

Working 40 hours per week over 4 days fine but those days will actually be less productive as youā€™re working longer hours. Plus the disadvantage of covering required working hours.

The study says different and I would concur with it. Your evidence to the contrary please?

Consider an operation where the labour is given a prework brief every day. For the record construction is heading that way. They then gave breakfast at 10am, lunch at 12pm and pack up at 4. Good progress over 5 days or would one less brief, shorter breaks and longer days be more productive I wonder? :thinking:

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Cut out all the meetings, universally pointless. Take 20 mins for lunch not an hour, no problem there. Then go POETS day.

Once a 4 day working week is established then what about 3? Then edge of the wedge. Trendy Californian business might be in favour. Dave the Electrician running 10 sparkies sure as hell isnā€™t.

Surely companies want (X) amount of work doing. They contract employees to do (X) amount of work. They envisage that work taking (Y) amount of time and pay/salary (Z) accordingly. That is what the worker is contracted to do?
Surely if the worker is able to do (X) amount of work in (Y) -20% amount of time then thatā€™s the companyā€™s problem to sort?
They could try and negotiate a new contract where the employee does a larger amount of work in 100% of the time for the same salary or take a 20% salary drop for doing the same amount of work in less time? I couldnā€™t see that going down well?
:nerd_face:

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In my experience the four day working week has greatly improved productivity, morale and the mental well being of all employees. People get to spend more time with their families, have more opportunities to enjoy their hobbies, travel etc and generally it results in people living healthier lives with a much lower risk of burnout/stress. Worth considering the environmental benefits as well.

Happier employees = increased productivity, increased loyalty to the company, less sick days taken. Simple equation really.

Notice the trend in the article above.

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4 day working week is revolutionary, i work in construction in australia, i work for myself and i cant imagine being able to whittle it down to a 4 day week.

howeverā€¦so long as the site stays open 5.5 days, the actual labour could be rostered differently to suit.

most guys do an 8 plus anyways, so i CAN actually envision a situation where Dave the electritian would rather have 12 guys on 4 days roster with no OT, as opposed to 10 guys working 5 9sā€¦

ive heard of personally multiple guys walking from a good paying salaried management job becuase the hours are too demandingā€¦

itā€™d take a revolutionary business to get it working in a small enterpriseā€¦

as Klopptomist said though, unfortunately, for construction workers, we can be our own collective worst enemy, and i have a feeling the main issue would be a thin edge of the wedge type situation.

to clarify, this is not an anti union stance in its entirety, but more the union culture in victoria, which can be quite militant.

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I work 6 months a year :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I barely work at work.

Iā€™m at work now, currently watching tv and chatting. Haha @Klopptimist

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