UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

Yes, benevolent death by shooting. I’m sure that in the next few weeks a person or persons will try to burgle / steal from me. I’ll keep you posted. When they do, I look forward to people blaming the system and the government because an individual can’t possibly be held responsible for their actions.

It’s interesting to go back and look how previous referenda on Europe panned out in Ireland, France and Denmark and compare that with the UK Brexit experience. Leave managed to get Cameron to drop all the things that worked in those other campaigns.

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I’ve been wondering if Starmer’s desperate attempts not to say anything that will keep him from power (including support for war crimes) will backfire?

Surely he is alienating muslim Labour voters (and any human being with a conscience) with this stance.

Either way he won’t be judged kindly by history. Like Blair, in the fog of war he’s not taking too much criticism. But after this genocide occurs he will be questioned about his complicity in it for the rest of his life

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Sadly, I think he will be proven right, that nobody really cares about Muslims and their rights in this country. He has a lot more to lose by equivocating on the issue, rather than going gung-ho for Israel.

Just look at the differing attitudes towards anti-Semitism and Islamophobia in political parties.

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Starmers statements are very worrying particularly as his position means he didn’t have to say anything.

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You’re absolutely right. No integrity. Just whatever gets the most votes. Love him or hate him, you can’t deny that Corbyn has clear principals that guided him

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Given that people are being murdered here, the popcorn emoji is deeply inappropriate. A classic case of KEEP YOUR FICKING MOUTH SHUT.

Huh?

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even I know he’s talking to Starmer.

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Yeah, tricky I know….

That’s what I said,no?

The problem here is that Anti-Semitism is such a toxic problem for Labour (unfairly) Starmer just cannot go near the Palestinian issue and speak against Israel without it tearing the party apart again. If he says anything vaguely critical about Israel the Tory party and their client press will be all over him.

There is an insidious piece of legislation currently going through Parliament designed to stop public bodies boycotting foreign nations over human rights concerns.

The Government have framed this as stopping anti-semitism, and claimed boycotts and divestment campaigns raise tensions and fuel hatred. Even their own impact assessment admits there is no evidence for this. The law would have made it illegal for local authorities and universities to boycott apartheid South Africa, and it would encompass issues like Climate Change - essentially making divestment campaigning illegal.

The reason why The Tories have framed this through Anti-Semitism, rather than as a wide ranging clampdown on anything that disagrees with central foreign policy, is because Labour can’t touch it.

It’s shit, and it isn’t fair, but that what you get if you weaponise anti-semitism to smear a Labour leader you disagree with and embolden the Israeli lobby. When you need to criticise Israel, you’ve made a rod for your own back.

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Fully acknowledge and understand this.

Yet…a whole population is being imprisoned, starved of food, water and electricity, and pounded with artillery. War crimes under any definition. And the leader of the Labour Party is actively supporting this collective punishment.

Is there any precedent in Labour Party history? Even Blair’s WMD lies don’t seem as callous.

When the dust settles (literally) I think many people will think twice about voting for the Labour party. And I hope Starmer is never allowed to forget this

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By the time the election comes around they’ll have other issues on their minds.

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I’m not criticizing you or Starmer, but it’s so lame.

Let’s forget the Israel/Palestine for a moment. That’s a draconian law only suitable for places like China, Israel, etc. As the opposition leader and a civil right lawyer it’s his job to prevent that. What would he do when he becomes the PM? Will he revoke it? Then he will face the same criticism and opposition as he will now. So, the law will perpetuate. His silence will only get him to Downing Street. There’s no tactical nuance in his stand.

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Former DPP, he knows better than any of us what the implications of this law are. But power is all that matters to him

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Saving money my arse.

It was only a matter of time before Labour did something to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

A drum I’ve been banging for years.

Yeah I guess we’ll see. This is not the first time a bunch of right-wing Tories have come into the thread telling everyone that Starmer is going down. Only for the lead to get stronger.

I guess none of them have actually bothered to look in their own backyard yet at the competition.

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