He’s a stickler.
Now practice - damn it!
…Stickler even 
I’m stuck on him
Starmer is a right wing Tory, isn’t he?
So why doesn’t he just not say anything. He doesn’t have to publically support acts against humanity!
As for the rest of the post, if I refuse to buy South African or Irsaeli oranges in the UK could i get arrested or would that come about only if i had a plancard demanding Spainish oranges in their place?
He’s not as bad as the Tories, but he’s nearly there.
Can’t stand him, but he’s still marginally better than the Conservatives.
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Is he? In that case Labour supporters won’t be voting for him.
Tory MP proving more opposition, and humanity, than the Labour Party
No, it relates to public bodies like Universities and Local authorities, and would make it unlawful for those public bodies to make ethical choices about who to take services and products from.
It is particularly insidious because it is being sold as a measure to combat antisemitism when it would also prevent public bodies from making decisions on other grounds considered to be ethical, like climate change - even when those public bodies have their own stakeholder democracy governing their actions.
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As @mascot has already pointed out, multiple times, Labour would be today if they even gave a whiff of something that the Tories could twist into Antisemitism, simply because what happened in the party under Corbyn (and yes, that had more to do with the Tories and the Tory media - aka UK media - spinning it that way which kind of process my point.
You might ask why then is a Tory speaking up on it? Because the Tories are teflon. They have a history of racism problems in their party which everyone gives them a free pass on.
Also, are there many governments around the world that are standing up for Palestinians? If there are, I haven’t heard much about them. Seems to be pro-Israel everywhere.
That’s not to excuse Starmer, or anyone else turning a blind eye but if there was a conflict he wished to avoid leading into a UK election it would have been one involving Israel, which puts him in a tricky position given what his party has previously been accused of.
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Yes have replied to his post and understand the background. Still…Starmer is currently actively encouraging war crimes and potential genocide. Is it too naive to suggest that politicians could have the integrity to do/say what’s right, despite the pressure or consequences?
It’s easy to venerate Mandela, MLK etc in hindsight, but in the middle of the storm people like Starmer were opposing them
Yeah. Let’s be honest that a large proportion of the UK voting public are towards the right having been spoon fed right wing policies and ideals for decades through our “free press”. Most are however are quite moderate, until the last decade maybe.where we’ve lurched to the right quite considerably.
The only way you win an election in the UK is by claiming the so called middle ground. Starmer, I say cautiously, fits that bracket but I really don’t like what he’s saying here. I can understand why but has he really been advised down that route or is he speaking his mind? Disturbing either way.
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So you are asking whether an opposition leader, who has no power to change anything over there in their current position, to actually throw the election away entirely, and give British people another 4 years of being fucked up the arse by the Tories? That really doesn’t seem like a win for a single person in the UK
OK, maybe @Klopptimist.
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There was an excellent article on pretty much this theme yesterday:
From the article:
the working classes are tuning out of mainstream politics. They were staunch voters until the 1990s, observe the Oxford political scientists James Tilley and Geoffrey Evans, and backed Labour. What changed all that was Tony Blair, they write. “This decline of class-based voting was driven by Labour’s shift to the political centre-ground.” Today Starmer is trying to woo back working-class voters even while holding on to his centrism.
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If stating that collective punishment and a potential genocide is wrong would result in losing the election, then the UK is truly fucked up beyond repair
Here is the bit that only gets mentionned once but imo is the most important, as it leads to pride!
The politician who talks most about dignity for working people will refuse as prime minister to reach into his pocket and pay to give them dignity.
What baffles me is how long it has/is taking for a backlash to be forth coming. I presume it’s just because of the enormous midlle class now however this is in net diminunishion imo more and more middle class now feel they are falling back towards the forgotten classes.
… and it is isn’t it?
Not aware that you and I have jousted on here before but if you’re saddling up, I’ll don the chainmail. Come back to you tomorrow.