Just wondering how do you feel about the Indo / Pacific deal?
That deal prevents us rejoining the EU, i.e. removing our control, choice and options.
Tbh I have not read on it, as work is crazy busy the last few weeks, but as someone who voted leave, I really could not care for the EU…I did see the usual Tory propaganda papers and something about £9 trillion trading bloc etc, but I skipped past them as it’s all tiresome lately and I have other things more pressing and important things to worry about in life etc.
*Apologies mascot for stating you wanted Brexit reversed.
Just out of curiosity how was it an attack on democracy?
Everyone with voting rights was asked .
Do you want to leave the EU?
YES OR NO
Regardless of what political alignment the media companies have, the question is straight forward and in its purest form of democracy it’s a simple question to everyone that was eligible to vote
Yes or No.
Everything else is spin, this was a question without cause or consequence…with an individual’s right to vote if they wanted to be in the EU.
Sorry just my simplistic view of it.
On the prevision that people truely understand the importance of their choice and what the ramifications would be. The media and the tories lied to the public and platantly misled them.
Remember the drop in the pound against both the Euro and Dollar the day after the referendum? Remember the £350M per week bus? NHS has yet to see any of that
Remember the immigration control to be gained? that worked out pretty well
Am wondering, what promises/claims the government made about Brexit has actually come true?
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No problem.
There’s a “clause” for want of a better word in it that prevents the UK from rejoining the EU.
So while I assume you’ll be happy about that it has removed our choices, options and to a degree control. That’s pretty much what Brexiteers were arguing against but they seem happy to backtrack on that with a group on the other side of the world.
Just on the basis of the question …we left
They got it done?
Granted very badly. But at least I can now buy bendy bananas 
There’s the notion that millions were duped into voting leave by promises of a golden future, busses and a brilliant deal. Then there’s the notion that quite a few people in the country never wanted to be politically united with the old enemies in the first place. My gran died before the vote but you could have told here ANYTHING about the consequences, you could have shown her the situation today and she’d still have been at the front of the queue to tell the EU to fuck off. People have long memories and she was bombed.
Oddly enough, my mother and uncles voted to remain, as did many of their generation, precisely because they were bombed. The generation that were most against the EU were the Boomer generation that only knew about the war from patriotic war films and tales of daring do.
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Many of those most affected by the vote on the EU didn’t have voting rights.
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It’s a vital part of democracy that decisions and policies are constantly questioned. Circumstances change, new facts come to light, new issues emerge. When a party is elected to govern it doesn’t mean that the public should quietly accept everything they do for the next five years.
More than 48% of those who voted wished to remain. You can’t expect them to stop arguing their case because 1% more voted to leave. Nobody’s saying that the referendum should be reversed, but many millions of us believe that it was the wrong decision, and we will continue to argue that.
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True. My Mum is still heartbroken.
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You sure look like a cheese eating surrender monkey
As did my parents. They’re both champagne socialists though who used to enjoy many European holidays. Was purely about the travel. I’ve pointed out many times that there’s sill fresh veg in the shops and we can go to France any time we want.
… but of course that’s not what those that voted for it voted for, although they were warned!
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No you can not!
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Sort of detracts from their claims to be serious about environmental issues, non?
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The people with the most to lose/gain were frozen out of the vote (under 18s).
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People did not understand what they were voting for. Or rather, there was little guarantee they would get what they were voting for.
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The hard right fringe of the Tory Party used the simplistic terms of the referendum to engineer a form of Brexit nobody wanted, after lying to them about what kind of Brexit was on the table (‘Nobody is talking about leaving the single market’)
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The leave campaign told gross lies to the public, such as the notorious bus claims, to secure votes.
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There is evidence that the leave campaign was fuelled by Russian money and interference.
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The vote then led to such democratic affronts as the proroguing of parliament, the PM lying to the Queen, and the attacks on high courts judges in British Courts. Prominent leavers acted as if the referendum was a carte blanche to override the rule of law and our parliamentary processes - which is ironic given the lip service paid to ‘sovereignty’ through the campaign.
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Theresa May’s desperation to form a Government after the Hung Parliament in 2017 led to her bribing the DUP to take their seats in Parliament, which threatened the GFA and elevated the DUP above the power sharing agreement in Northern Ireland.
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Then Boris Johnson won an election on the promise of getting Brexit done with an ‘oven ready deal’ which provide to be a lie. Brexit pretty much made Johnson, who then proceeded to tear through constitutional norms like Trump did in the US.
So all in all, I’d argue Brexit wasn’t Democracy’s finest moment.
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Rightly so. Would you like that changed? Over 16? Over 10? Toilet trained?
You might not have done but don’t tar everybody with the same brush.