UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

Perfect headline to rile up the right-wing…

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Oh behave…

https://x.com/ToryWipeout/status/1825913585597301146?t=5etMPY3FXBixYXIv4N1dOg&s=19

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The 20mph is fine in principle. It was rolled out poorly and suffers from some properly shit speed limit configurations in areas which should probably be addressed.

But these lemons fail to realise or perhaps refuse to mention, 20mph has been in existence in the UK already. Parts of Glasgow has it, every town and village i passed through, or visited north of Glasgow a couple of weeks ago has 20mph zones.

Also current accident statistics support the speed reduction.

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I thought the speed limits themselves were fine when we visited Wales in the summer. Unfortunately, my sat nav appeared to be unaware of the changes.

What I did find awkward was that it reversed the convention that applies to the rest of the UK (and most other countries) in that it applies the lower limit by default and then has parts of roads marked at 30mph all the way down. The roads in Scotland (and where I live in Germany) have the lower 20mph limits very obviously marked, which rather makes the point that there may be unseen hazards.

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Cracking stuff from Feargal Sharkey:

I may well join the rally in October.

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What a story arc that man has had.

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Story arc? You mean what we used to refer to as “life”? :thinking:

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Strong NPC energy this one.

What does his Perfect Cousin think about our waterways?

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I shouldn’t laugh. It’s nice to see a former musician getting involved in the issues that affect our lives. He has A Good Heart.

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At least he’s not just doing it for Teenage Kicks.

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I’ve got news for you…it’s all over now

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Nope, It’s Going To Happen

Wednesday week?

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if anyone expects me to turn up, You’ve Got My Number, Why Don’t You Use It?

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Good that he’s revealing his True Confessions about a subject he’s pasionate about.

Honestly, in my area they are all marked at 20mph. Where i feel the problem is that some areas parhaps could have stayed at 30mph or there is not a suitable transition i.e. 60mph to 20mph is just not great.

Scotland do this better. They cant do road closures though. Story for another day.

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I’m wondering if part of the intention is to normalise 20 as the default, because even if you feel that the road could have stayed at 30, the statistics really show a marked improvement.

I’m not sure about the transitions part though, because I get the concern if they’re not signposted properly, but if they’re signposted the way I remember things to be in Scotland or I think it was the Peak District for example, there usually is quite a bit of a warning prior to the actual change. Drivers can well slow down, they just don’t want to.

Quite commonly, in Germany, You will get the speed going from 100kph down to 50kph but with a 70kph limit marked 200 meters or so further back before the 50 kicks in. 30kph tends to be for residential streets or where there are schools, nursing homes and the like.

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It is yes, 20mph for towns etc. but i feel that could have been done with some pragmatism rather than the sledgehammer approach. It has lead to some odd speed limit changes or stretches of road where you simply ask why? Elsewhere they got it right etc.

Scotland, to their credit have countdown markers on the approach to every town (I visited) and it will be a 30mph with the 20mph zone further in. Sometimes there was a 40mph zone before the 30mph too. It just made sense.

Why the fuck am I noticing this shit on holiday? Anyway i dont think it needs drastic changes to maintain the accident stats improvements, if anything I think they could help.