UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

No one gives you money.

And yes the super rich who avoid tax I have no time for. Lock them up.

There is nothing wrong with working hard. ā€œAspirationā€ is another story; people wanting too much has fucked up the planet and led to high levels of crime and mental illness.

But, ultimately, it’s not a level playing field. When we’re born, we don’t all have the same chances in the game of life. And that’s what a lot of people don’t understand.

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Ok. Maybe I do not. Had nothing. Grew up in Yorkshire. School was hell. But maybe others have less. I am not special. I have paid for my career. I wish I could have cared more. I hate how this economy divides us. As I say. It 1950s. Workers versus the masters. But the unions are no help.

Going to bed chaps. lol long Covid. Would love to really debate. I hate conflict.

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Without unions, workers would have even less than they do now.

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Yeah but like politicians. Unions want to feel important. Celebrity. It’s not for the workers anymore.

Mate, no-one is ā€˜the enemy’ here. This is where you are going wrong. No one hates you. Nobody is out to get you.

Despite your cynicism, there is a massive financial hole. The cupboards are bare and the Tories have fucked everything. Brexit is costing billions a year, they’ve given all the money away, and Covid was like a sweet shop for these fuckers. That’s reality.

The question now, especially, with borrowing off the table, is what do we do about it? Tax rises are really the only answer, and I’d argue that those tax rises should be aimed and people earning more, not people earning less.

I understand that you think you worked hard and sacrificed a lot for your income - I’ve no reason to doubt that, but Christ almighty. Read the fucking room on this one. Almost everyone is working hard, and for a lot less than Ā£125k. There are people in this country living in poverty conditions and they are working very hard indeed.

Governments cannot take personal circumstances or special pleading into account when designing the tax system. If you earn 125k you have broader shoulders than someone earning 25k. That’s just maths. It isn’t personal.

I would rather Labour tax people earning more than do what the Tories did and hammer the most vulnerable in society.

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I hate. Television with whoever. The interviewer is king. A name. Try to trap a quote. So none gives a quote. Paxmon, ridge… whoever. It is part of the broken system. If I make you sat something bad I am a celebrity.

But Starmer looks like he’s going to double down on the hammering instead, as predicted

Mascot I agree. We need an all party agreement to change and fix the country. As much as I did not like the last coalition tried.

We knew he would.

I do not care. Left or right. I believe in free market economics until they are self serving pricks. Which they are. A new model needs to emerge. Not left. Starmer will ruin us. Not the current tories.

The last person who had a view was thatcher. Oh she fecked society but did the best for UK plc.

No one else has had a vision. Maybe Blair but look at his financial legacy.

And they all make money. Blair, truss, brown……

Tax is at 45% on earnings above 125k.

What is the proposal to help fix the current mess? I just heard ā€œa bit moreā€ posted a few times. I’m not sure what that means.

50% on earnings above 125k? That’s a bit more. 5% more to be exact.

Or are we talking about a lot more? I genuinely don’t know if the new rate has been communicated.

Income tax is unlikely to be increased.

Inheritance tax and CGT are likely to bear the brunt of the increases.

Rightly so.

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Thanks for the info. I definitely agree with inheritance tax bearing the brunt of it, and I probably agree with CGT too, but would like to see more detail on that.