UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

It’s only a necessary evil if we accept that there’s no other way to focus all of society’s resources and efforts onto particular goals.

Just look at the speed with which the COVID vaccines were produced.

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The speed of COVID was proportional for the need to get the planet back to work. Look, humans fight, we always have and we always will. What’s sport if not us for-filling our need to compete? Breed that out of us and we’re fucked. Soft times create soft men etc, sure you know the saying.

I was at a pro Palestine celebration a few months ago. A few wrong words were said on the stage (from somebody who was pro Palestine) and it was literally bloody warfare. Think pissed town 500 people fighting 1am. And these guys were all sober. The hatred and rage makes sane people do crazed things. Human nature.

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It’s fucking laughable listening to these clowns in Birmingham.
‘REVIEW AND REBUILD’ reads the big slogan in the background.
The 2 party system is dead, much like the country in general. Until this is addressed nothing will change, although it’s beyond fixing anyway.

This Cleverly fella is something else. I think he can save the world, and so does he.

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the iron dome is used for very short range stuff…i wonder if they turned this off to facilitate the larger sheilds better…

i know i wouldnt be looking to “X” for the answer though :wink:

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I’m not but it is an interesting idea. If somebody fires hundreds of missiles at you in very quick succession, you need a phenomenal defense. Turn it off and you have a phenomenal justification for the next round of slaughter.

its certainly the type of ‘question’ peddled on media like 'X"

just to clarify, the iron dome defense system is for short range missiles though, so if they were going to turn anything off to ‘accept’ damage, why would they turn the one off that wasnt doing anything?

im no expert on the subject, but even i could ascertain that with my brief reading on the issue…

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System shoots small missiles at incoming missiles. Doesn’t matter how big they are or where they came from. Think about it, fire a small explosive at a big explosive. What happens?

thats great that you’ve explained what Iron Dome is intended to do (to short range missiles), i just want to make sure you are aware theres two other larger range defence sheilds as well and the attacks were from larger range?

regardless, im not here to discuss what the ideal defense system Isreal should use, im just merely pointing out that the ‘interesting idea’ posed by ‘X’ is pretty basic.

but lets humour them, lets Induldge ‘X’, lets assume Isreal were happy to accept damage as a strategic tack, why would they ‘turn the iron dome off’ and risk being found out, surely theyd leave it plugged in and make sure it failed in strategic locations?

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You also need to consider how the overall missile defense system works.

Iron Dome is used for short range missiles, David’s Sling counters medium range missiles and Arrow 2 deals with the long range missiles. Once they detect missile launch, the system will look to identify the missile into Balistic or Cruz (both have different flight capabilities) and then will look to calculate the expected target.

If the expected target is either civilian or military, then it will track the missile and shoot it down once it is within range, but many will be identified as hitting unpopulated areas which will be allowed to get through as the cost to shoot down a missile that is going to hit a deserted area is not practicle.

This is a good article explaining Israel’s Missile Defence System What are Israel’s Iron Dome, David’s Sling and Arrow missile defences? - BBC News

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It is a load of bollocks though.

The key part of the MDS is once a launch has been detected it will estimate an impact zone, then will consider if said impact zone is critical enough to defend or if it can allow the missile to impact. Majority of missiles that do get through tend to land either in unpopulated areas in the desert or overshoot and land in the Med

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Is the UK under missile attack?

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no, but its maybe relevant or ironic or somesuch, that we feel the need to challenge ideas from ‘X’ when they are floated…

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Justification to who?

simply coming under missile fire would be enough for Israel.

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I think it would be justification for anyone to retaliate. It’s just that Israel tends to miss a few steps of the escalation ladder.

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Laura Kuenssberg has been found out again:

https://x.com/bbclaurak/status/1841591658842095718?t=4o2lVtpKiEa5JeTImXwLeA

I’m not sure why she is still felating Boris Johnson in public. I’m also not sure why the BBC couldn’t simply assign a real journalist to the interview. Although I think we all know is that it’s because he wouldn’t turn up.

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Why would anyone else want to interview him. Laura was helping him promote his book. Everyone in the country has been sickened by him and never want to see his grubby face again

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About fucking time.

The Chagos Islands should never have been separated from Mauritius in the first place.

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Iron Dome gets the attention because it is used to bring down short range stuff, from Hamas or Hezbollah.

Beyond that, Israel has something called David’s Sling, and also Arrow 1 and Arrow 2. These systems are much more sophisticated, and are designed to intercept longer range missiles, even at the edge of the atmosphere.

In addition, Israel enjoys assistance from American forces in the region, who will shoot missiles down. Apparently the UK has also been helping with that (I understand the Houthi stuff, to protect shipping lanes and trade, but I am a bit uncomfortable if the UK is playing an active role in assisting Israel, given what it has been doing in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, and soon I’m sure, beyond those confines).

From an Iranian perspective, they shot a lot of missiles from multiple places, so it is much harder to bring them all down. It looks like Iran also carefully calibrated its targets so as to not cause civilian damage, while also sending a message to Israel that we can get through your defenses.

Obviously we now await Israel’s next response, concerned by the escalation in the region and wondering where it will all end.