UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

I’m not a fan of the loans system but a lot of students earning towards the bottom of the scale may not pay them back in full.

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Whether they do or not, it’ll be a bit of a disincentive for many to even apply for uni places

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Maybe but thats yhe point i made above. We’re now so accepting of debt, its not considered as big an issue as it once was.

I am and have always been uncomfortable with that.

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Thats a lot to do with technology.
Sometimes spending money doesn’t feel like you’re actually spending money.
Main reason I ditched using credit cards about 15 years ago.
At least i know when I’m buying something, I’m buying it with my money

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This is where I find the recent technological advances to have been more beneficial.

I get instant alerts when I spend money, it’s very real and tangible to me, so I actually spend less. Minimise the notifications on my phone, and the numbers I see on those notifications.

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Yeah but also being willing to be in debt.

New VW van? No worries theres finance;
Uni education? Cool but I’ll need £40k in loans, it be fine.
Home improvements, theres that finance again.

Which reminds me, i need to look at home insurance, my quotation to carry on with the same firm went up 44%. They can royally fuck off trying to pull that stunt.

I was very pleasantly surprised with the van insurance quote I recently got for my career change

:roll_eyes:

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1853446466422861930?t=y1004Ln2Zb8zMVNJ6JWryg&s=03

Hope so.

I love it when people call politicians hypocrites for stuff they said under entirely different leaderships. It adds loads to the debate.

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I don’t think that’s a problem.

I think the problem is different circumstances. The identity of the leader shouldn’t matter too much.

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I love it when all parties can be called out for broken promises and claims, unless it’s the party I like.
I dont like any of them BTW

https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1853482104098885723?t=8XWTclewHzSoQwWbhaRx7w&s=03

What pisses me off more is with every new government cycle we’re in worse shape than the one before.

Seems that way anyway.

I don’t see this as a broken promise. He said last year that scrapping tuition fees would probably have to be dropped because of the government’s financial situation. And universities do need more funds, especially as we seem to have become less welcoming to students from abroad.

I don’t know how much it would cost to get rid of tuition fees now, what additional taxes they could have raised to pay for it or what they could have replaced in the budget from what was actually announced.

However, it would have been good to at least see a reintroduction of maintenance grants for those most in need of additional financial support.

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I agree completely with what you are saying but again, in the days before there was technology to prove it was round, it would be quite acceptable for someone to think it wasn’t and at the same time reasonable for the person(s) challenging the theory to listen too them.
Is the world round or flat is a 50/50, reasons to support why it may or may not be a bit more ambiguous - at the time.
In fields like politics, where the decisions affect people’s everyday, every point is subjective. People can use statistics and figures but it still doesn’t take into the context as to how we got to that point. For example look at the Budget, if you looked at a timeline you could say Labour hiked up taxes way above the normal - that is a fact. However, if you apply context, you could say that your ‘view’ is that it was their only option.

You will always have a group of people from both sides of an argument who are staunch, and will argue the world is flat but that’s a tiny percent.
The problem with terms like ‘Gammon’ and ‘snowflake’ is that it is used far too often to dismiss someone who has a different point of view/opinion, why (in my opinion) because it is easier to do so than actually have a discussion. It’s like as kids punching your brother and then hiding behind your Mom.

I do not know the whole history of the conversation but has he not got a point. As I alluded to above.
Can you call a black, Asian, or any other person of colour ‘Gammon’? No! So it is a comment based on race!
I’m not saying it is racist, that is a matter of opinion, but to say that ‘Gammon’ is a term which has no reference to the subjects skin colour is absurd.
Further more, it is not only white RW people who become flustered or gammon like. Im sure Blair, Corbyn, Brown, Starmer have all become a bit red faced when speaking with passion.

It’s a rhetorical question.

I guess it’s like football. It’s rare that a manager leaves the team in a good place for their successor. It’s rare that they leave on good terms. It is common though for Managers to be remembered on their final years (Wenger) than for what they achieved across the duration.

Nb this an analogy.

The new shadow cabinet under Kemi Badenoch🙈.

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So are you happy to accept that “gammon”, “Gammon Tendency” may have been coined before Dickens?
Are you happy to accept that Dickens use of the word is different to what you originally implied?
Is it open to debate that Aboriginal people, used the word Gammon as a reference to skin colour?

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