Isn’t it ironic that your post provides support to the points I raised in my response to your original post.
no but it is boring…
i get you like playing ‘devils advocate’, flirting with opinion without committing to it, but honestly…Gammon…not a racist term, its been pointed out before…
and even if you can pinpoint some small relationship with it being so…from…what now…australian indigeanous culture (i mean FFS!!!)…honestly, the guy saying it didnt mean it in that way…
its boring…about the most intelligent said on it in the last few days IS the Jack Nicholoson Meme above…fucking boring…
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Reading your post it appears you have good knowledge in this area. I admit, I have little.
My understanding is that Student loans are provided by the Government, is that correct. If so how are they levied/financed?
I read a piece that stated, that in 2019 Labour alleged that there was £8.6bn owed in interest by Students on their loans, I don’t have a figure for total debt - inclusive of loan.
So by increasing Tuition fees are they not increasing their upfront spending - I expect they will have taken into consideration the extra monies coming in from students who do not qualify for SL.
Additionally, by having this debt on the books, is it not away of clever accounting?
Hang on, you are assuming I am posting in defence of a poster. I also didn’t bring up the reference to an Australian Indigenous Culture, so FFS read the posts. Also, you will see that I questioned, I didn’t state. I have allowed @RedWhippet the right to respond, not shut him down or say he is wrong.
People have a right to an opinion, if they feel it is racist who are you to disagree and just because it has been pointed out before, by people whose views align with your’s does that mean it is right?
It’s been pointed out that 52% of the people voting in Brexit chose to leave, so do you imply the same logic.
Maybe I am playing Devils Advocate, but maybe that’s the only choice I have. What are you afraid of? Actually forming your own opinion and discussing it, maybe it is easier to be a ‘Ralph’ and point at the pretty pictures. Hopefully, Santa brings you a box of crayons for being a good boy.
Ya are the ‘gammon’ facts really cast iron facts or just references found to backup your side of the beliefs? Is it as cast iron as the fact that Liverpool is the best club in the world? If not, why couldn’t people discuss it or oppose it? That they need to stop discussing the opposite view and accept that what is presented as facts are facts, not just strong opinions? Granted that Klopptimist seem a little bit over the top, trying to nail people down rather than discussing but Lynch posts have not been disrespectful or antagonistic in any way.
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Please sir, how do we do the red writing?
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I believe it’s a Teacher privilege. 
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I don’t think so? When you do a post, you can bold/italic/etc. and one of the options in the second row is a colour palette for the text, though you have to enter the code for the colour you want.
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It was just a reference to my School days. When they pulled out the red pen, you knew you were in trouble 
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what are you banging on about now?
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But that opinion should be based on facts, not plucked out of the air.
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Unpopular opinion perhaps but I never felt that way with Sunak. True, he’s a guy from extreme privilege with a lack of awareness of normal people’s struggles (PayTV-gate), but he never carried on with the absolute nastiness that folks like Kemi and Priti hold.
I do though absolutely agree in general with your description of how the Conservatives operate with their minority MPs.
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Suella Braverman is definitely a gammon.
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As I said above, bit racist to assert someone with dark skin cannot be flushed with rage.
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This.
Or at the very least formed from reliable information that is understood.
It’s becoming a massive issue today imo, where everyone is entitled to opinions but the internet gives every opinion the same weight.
That is dangerous and is leading to the increase in discrediting of subject experts and the rise in conspiracies.
And people make a living from pushing bs. How can that be?
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I would suggest that if you called a jew or muslim a gammon you could possibly be on dodgy ground so do you have to be selective who you call a gammon? Would you be entirely comfortable calling a jewish member of the Conservative party a gammon?
Toby Perkins is the Labour MP for Chesterfield and here is what he thinks…
“Gammon is so obviously a racist slur, that I can’t understand why people who generally decry racism think its ok to use it. Whether you consider the people being mocked to be discriminated against generally has nothing to do with whether using it is racist”.
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Toby Perkins is talking out of his arse.
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Would you be entirely comfortable calling a jewish or muslim member of the Conservative party a gammon?
You mean because of the association with pork, and the way pork is treated by that faith group?
I can’t say it would bother me - I’m not literally calling them a pig. Calling them gammon wouldn’t be a motivated by their religion.
If someone really took genuine offence at being called ‘gammon’ on religious grounds, I’d probably take that on board in the interests of being kind and reasonable, but we should also remember that gammon is only really ever used in response to people being vile and offensive themselves. And it’s use is exclusively reserved for people in positions of relative comfort kicking down at people less fortunate than themselves.
I’ll say again, it might be offensive and unpleasant, but it certainly isn’t a racist insult. Racism is a dislike of someone because something about their appearance or culture (usually skin colour) is different to yours. Gammon is about behaviour. It’s a perjorative shorthand relating to the tendency of some (overwhelmingly) older white men to go pink in the face while frothing with rage about some perceived injustice, usually allied to a dislike of foreigners and misplaced patriotic pride. I’m not calling them gammon because they are pink. I’m calling them gammon because of the combination of prejudice, performative outrage and patriotism, coupled with their rotund, well-fed comfort, that makes them go a bit pink when they go off on one.
Over time the word ‘gammon’ has become a bit of a catch all for the kind of brexity, xenophobic ranting that has spread from the exclusivity of older white men, to other demographics as well, and that is the way I would be using the term if I were calling Suella Bravermen a gammon.
If Suella said to me “I’m a Jewish woman and I find that term offensive on religion grounds”, my response would be “I’m sorry, I did not mean it in that way. I appreciate that you have a cultural dislike of pork product so I apologise. I’ll will find a different term in future. Got it. You’re a cunt”
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The Student Loan Company is backed by the government but I don’t really know the ‘hows’. I assume it has an ‘account’ with the treasury’ from which it draws in a similar way to how benefits are handled, with an expectation as to how much this would likely total for a given year. The treasury then usually receives payment through the tax system. The government sometimes sells off these books of loans to raise money for immediate needs.
I think the loans are still charged at RPI+ rather than CPI+ which is the rate it uses for calculating other government spending. RPI is usually higher than CPI
I can’t remember the figures for these loans now, but I read that the BBC had looked at data from the SLC and saw that back in 2009 it was expected that students would leave university with a total debt of around £43k. They estimated that this year 1.8m were in debts of £50k+. 60k have balances of £100k+. A very small number (about 50) have debt above £200k.
Borrowing at one rate of interest and lending at a much larger rate can be thought of as clever accounting - but what impact is that having on students, graduates or even those now unwilling to go to University for fear of the debt it will incur. And what impact is it having on universities themselves that are finding it a challenge to get by especially now that there are fewer foreign students coming to the UK?
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