UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Well there’s the epithet for our age. I saw a video of a ghost the other day and that looked legit too.

Oh I’m sorry. It was impertinent of me to ask. Everyone should be allowed to make hyperbolic, bullshit statements without having to deal with people asking for proof.

That’s funny, because in your original post you seemed very across the details.

No just ignorant!

A narrative has been allowed to grow that the government, or even libtards like me, are ignoring or welcoming illegal immigration. Which is obviously untrue.

A big part of this confusion is around a misunderstanding (encouraged by bad faith cunts like Farage) that claiming asylum is illegal immigration.

If we want to stop small boat crossings we could do that overnight by establishing safe, legal routes of entry into the UK. That’s how we stop people dying at sea, and if we then follow that up by swiftly assessing claims and deporting those that don’t meet the threshold, then that’s a fair asylum system.

The problem is that the immigration and asylum system has been destroyed for political expediency and the issue toxified. Labour, I think are trying to fix it. But the Tories did this on purpose, trying to simultaneously create a problem and position themselves as the solution to it, regardless of the sheer fucking cruelty of it and the human cost. Reform have picked up the baton, but let’s be clear neither will actually fix the issue while they can make such political hay demonising the poor fuckers risking downing at sea to escape their terrible circumstances.

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Maybe you need to stay off social media, and be more wary of your confirmation bias. The amount of times I get outraged by something, only for further investigation to reveal that it was just someone’s confection of lies, is far too much.

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Well if you don’t, you don’t. It’s for those who truly believe that laws don’t matter as far as migration is concerned. If you don’t feel you are one of those, then sure, I mean I am not the one to decide who is who.

Ha ha ha exactly the response I expected. Anything you don’t agree with is dismissed as hyperbole, bullshit or anecdotal.
Whereas everything you hear, read or see is 100% gospel truth isn’t it?
That’s exactly why I said I couldn’t be arsed finding it for you.
Believe it or not you are as likely to be tricked by fake-news, AI and gaslighting as I am. I know that’s probably hard for someone who is always right to accept but that’s the truth.

No, I really didn’t. I made no mention whatsoever of any subject people were being jailed/arrested for. You assumed it.

Ah OK. Ignorant for not wanting undocumented people entering the country on small boats or for thinking mass immigration is putting an enormous strain on our resources and causing deep rifts in society?
I knew it wouldn’t be long before the insults started flying, it’s the default position of the intolerant when someone disagrees with them.

Absolutely agree 100%. :+1:

I am always troubled by these sorts of statements. Hiding behind these sorts of statements feels a bit inhumane, i.e. basically saying look they are dying but the law says this or that, oh well. Yes there is the law but ultimately there is a line to walk between what is right and what is wrong. Politicking to blur the lines of basic humanity, as seen at the extremes in the US, Russia and to an extent the UK, is rephrenssible and morally bankrupt.

My take (not that it matters) is that we snobs, in the “1st world”, are obviously happy with the global disparity and are institutionally, and in some instances cruelly, bent towards maintaining it.

Was it this one?

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/video-arrest-over-facebook-comments-predates-british-protests-police-say-2024-08-16/

It doesn’t say what this was about (although the fact that they let him record and post the whole thing looks weird) but it would have been during the 2024 UK general election.

What he was arrested for was:

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or

(b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

There isn’t any context as he was not deemed to have reached the threshold for charging. It seems to include anything from dick pics to death threats. Given that it was during an election period, I’m guessing that it would be the latter.

What you have to ask yourself, is that if the sent electronic content was sent by post, would the police be involved.

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I don’t know mate. The video I saw was of a male officer and I didn’t see a female.
Like I said I have no idea what he’d posted, he might have stated the sky is blue for all I know.
Best leave it at that because it was on You-tube so probably didn’t happen anyway.

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You go again prooving your ignorance.

How is ignorant an insult?

Do you really believe you know everything?

Yes, I take being called ignorant for having an opinion on something as an insult.
The irony of your last question is off the scale coming from someone who calls people ignorant for expressing an opinion.

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Basing an opinion on ignorance should provoke real insults!

How is not wanting migrants to enter the country on small boats ignorant?
Why is it ignorant in thinking immigration is too high given the stress it puts on resources?
You should stop now before you embarrass yourself further.

Please do enlighten me.

:innocent:

A Liverpool drug dealer got at least 40 years yesterday for killing the mother of someone who stole his phone.

Today a Sudanese migrant got at least 29 years for stabbing a young woman 23 times. Why does this 2nd murder merit 11 years less in jail? Sometimes the word Justice is hard to define.

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It’s difficult to say without the full case history as there are usually aggravating/mitigating factors. Those are both at the upper end but I am guessing that premeditation and use of a firearm will cause the former sentence to be higher.

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OK. Let’s pick this apart.

I asked when this had happened.

You said this.

And then this

That isn’t you expressing an opinion. That’s you claiming a fact. You are claiming that the police are arresting and jailing people for expressing opinions. When challenged on this your response is I saw it on you tube, I can’t be arsed to post it here, and I don’t even know what the guy had done.

You aren’t giving me anything to disagree or agree with. You’ve just said you saw something on you tube and you aren’t even sure what the guy was even arrested for. I’m not making you look stupid, you are doing that all by yourself.

Yes, we all are. And it going to get worse. That’s why fact checking is important. And it’s super important not to base your opinion, actions and voting on things that you’ve seen on social media and don’t even, by your own admission, understand the context of.

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