You do realise the person you’re replying to is a simp for authoritarians and dictators right?
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Technically speaking, it is possible to be ignorant for the second point, given that there are published statistics and studies as to the net costs (or really, profits) to society from immigration.
But it does seem that you have already decided what you think is real or not, so nothing will change your mind.
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I hope you’re not implying that the second person got a lighter sentence because they’re an immigrant? Because I’m not sure why else you’re bringing the contrast in.
“Liverpool drug dealer” gives location and occupation. “Sudanese migrant” gives origin (irrelevant) and another characteristic, that is also irrelevant.
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Two sentences in two days. It’s the BBC who are reporting the facts. Should they censor them so there is no mention of him being recently arrived on a boat? I simply want to know why there is a difference. I cannot see a reason for it. @RedWhippet queries whether in the second case there was no premeditation. Look at the video evidence. He followed her from the hotel to a railway station armed with a weapon and stabbed her 23 times. There is also CCTV film of him lounging in the hotel reception eyeballing her.That sounds like premeditation to me. How does that merit a lesser sentence?
On another note the Liverpool victim and her family were involved to some extent in the drug dealing business and the young woman was an innocent hotel receptionist.
It sounds like those sentences were at the discretion of the judge but for me arguably that second murder deserved at least the same tariff if not more.
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Your statement forces the conversation into an ‘either or’ situation when its not. A society functions on many different levels where you cannot say I ignore one aspect and only focus on one aspect. So its to both extremes where you have people say we only focus on the law or laws don’t matter. Both the laws and compassion matter. The laws form the baseline on how we run a functioning society while we find compassion in the everyday, both should exist in tandem and not an either or.
There are differences which are laid out in the sentencing guidelines.
Murders involving a firearm start at 30 years, whereas knife or other weapons is 25 years. There’s also mitigating factors which include things like mental illnesses which can reduce culpability.
There is a consultation to review this at the moment. If you feel strongly about it, it would be worth writing to your MP. Those two cases would be an example of the apparent discrepancy in sentencing.
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Ok got it. Anything I see, hear or read should be taken with a pinch of salt because it’s staged, factually incorrect, bullshit etc.
I’ll assume everything you post on here is 100% bona-fide and you have researched it to the Nth degree to verify it’s authenticity.
Is that about right?
Over the years numerous posters on here have called you out for your condescension and arrogance. They were spot on.
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I’m not sure it does. I would be shocked if any person on here follows the Law faithfully - knowingly or otherwise all of the time. If there is such an individual, then they are truly transcendent.
My view is that there is basic humanity that you have to show. If you do not then you are in the wrong. Showing humanity is surely not a domain of the “left” alone, or indeed any political leaning.
Are you serious?
You admitted yourself you have absolutely no idea what the guy was being arrested for.
I admit I can be condescending at times, but in this case you are making absolute fucking show of yourself. It’s nothing to do with me. It’s all you. And you’re lashing out and attacking me because you know you are boxed in.
How do you go from ‘the police are arresting people for having an opinion’ to ‘I saw it in a YouTube video, but I don’t know what he was being arrested for’ in the space of a few posts? Do you really not understand how ridiculous that is?
Is it to much to ask that when you make wild claims you actually have something to back it up? It that being condescending now?
We are really fucked as a species, aren’t we.
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It’s proper mad in here now.
There’s a bloke forensically analysing everything I’ve said over a fucking video I watched on You-tube and another one stalking me on PM’s despite me asking him to stop.
It’s quite comical and a little bit disturbing tbh.
So let me see if I understand this. You think the government and police are arresting people for expressing an opinion, and your evidence for this is a YouTube video of a man being arrested, but you don’t what he was being arrested for.
I’m doing nothing here expect asking a very basic reasonable question about the source of your information, and then reflecting back to you the absurdity of the position and the evidence for it.
I’m not working particularly hard here, and I’m not doing anything forensic.
If you want to let me know who is DMing you, I can get in touch with them and ask them to stop.
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There is also probably an organised crime element to the first.
All sentencing is carried out in accordance with sentencing guidance and clearly set out criteria.
That is really interesting isn’t it. These things are framed to nudge your opinion in a certain direction.
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Do you always call it stalking when someone replies to a message of yours, or do you only act out like that when you know you’ve got no leg to stand on?
No, I do know what he was being arrested for. It was something he posted on SM. I said I didn’t know what he’d said.
Look, I watched a video on Youtube.It looked legit so I took it at face value. If I were to follow you’re reasoning then I shouldn’t believe anything I see or read anywhere and that includes all mainstream media. You should do the same. The BBC have not long ago been guilty of misrepresenting Trump.
FWIW I think the video was real but if you think it was bullshit that’s fine.
As for the PMs hopefully it’s stopped.
I told you to stop sending me PMs. The conversation was over.
I’m sorry, have I hurt your precious feelings?
So far today you’ve warned me about being radicalised, called another poster a ‘simp’ for dictators and described drug-dealing as an ‘occupation’.
You’re genuinely fucking deranged.
Right. OK.
He was being arrested for something he posted on social media. Let’s both agree on that. I can take that on your word.
Having admitted you don’t know what he said, do you think we can infer from that video that (your words) people are being arrested for expressing an opinion on social media?
This gets brought up a lot, and it seems to always turn out that it’s less expressing an opinion, and more inciting racial hatred or inciting violence.
This offence dates back to Thatcher, and the sentencing guidance was updated by Boris Johnson’s government. It literally has nothing to do with ‘two-tier Keir’.
A problem we have is that people have got used to thinking that Social Media is a Wild West, where you can say whatever you want about anyone and any attempts to curtail this freedom are tyrannical.
The reality is that no-one has that had that freedom, ever.
Fair enough, and if it was racial hatred he’ll have deserved it. We’ll never know.
That said I still think Starmer is a cunt!
Feel free to point out where any of those are wrong.