A good move, but extraordinary for those of us who remember the Labour party of the 70s and 80s.
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Times change.
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Labour in the 70s and 80s was about protecting workersâ rights and jobs. There are far better ways to earn a living than digging a dirty black hole and dying early from emphysema.
Not allowing new mines has the same principles.
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If only PPE had been implemented earlier, and itâs mandatory use enforced.
Even in 2024 itâs staggering how often people have to be âremindedâ to wear equipment which enhances their physical wellbeing.
People are fuckwits
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Itâs amazing how âregulationâ save lives and makes things better while having a bad name while âindividual choiceâ causes all sorts of harm yet is lauded by same bad mouthers.
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I have already articulated, or as I would like to put it questioned what may be questionable statements. But, guess what you have failed to address them or if so âgenerallyâ downplay them.
So you agree, that despite the Country voting to leave, we did not need an emergency budget? we did not experience a housing market crash, major job losses, mass exodus of the Financial sector? I do find it a bit selective thinking, that you downplay them as just a general warning. It was just as much speculative as the Leave statements which you call lies.
Mate, why donât you actually try responding directly. Why should I waste my time trying to find a list of sources to my claims when you will just move the goalposts of the debate.
I agree, so challenge it rather than dismiss it.
Iv listed examples in my response to @Mascot you will find that I questioned him and his logic. I didnât say he was wrong.
Again, why would you ask for examples of lies from the remain side, when you only focus on lies from the leave side. To pull up the remain campaign on their speculation would surely undermine you stance.
You do make me chuckle.
So everyone who can be called an expert is telling you to vote remain, but then dismiss other voters of making their decision on a Google search.
Talk about making assumptions. âI voted remain and this was based on information provided by experts. Those who voted Leave are idiots, who have done a quick google search and think they know everything.
What I find impressive, is that you wrote your post, read through it and still thought it was wise to press the send buttonâŚ.
I think Remain lied when they said they would honour the outcome of the referendum. I suppose there is no better way to justify a point than by cutting your nose off.
I could say that people who, after 8 years of a democratic vote, are still bitching, crying, calling foul is a fucking idiot. But I wonât because that is unfair, especially as I donât know their circumstances.
If I am being honest, maybe the fucking idiot(s) here are the self righteous, know it all, anyone who votes âleave is stupidâ approach demonstrated by yourself is why people voted to leave.
Just fess up, Lynchy. Be honest.
Youâre a RW troll too afraid to own it.
You come on here and post gibberish under the guise of representing all sides of the argument, but at the end of the day, all you want to do is parrot conservative talking points. Itâs tedious. Youâre tedious, your arguments are tedious, and the centrist/all-sides world view you try miserably to get across is tedious.
Brexit has demonstrably and objectively been a disaster for the UK. Only a fucking idiot couldnât see that.
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Ps. How have Remain not honoured the outcome?? Brexit happened. Itâs done.
Do we not live in a democracy where one gets to push for oneâs point of view?
Really makes one wonder why we have elections every five years if a decision of the people is so sacrosanct and inviolableâŚ
FMDâŚyou really do spout shite.
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Pps. People were hoodwinked, without doubt.
I didnât call Leave voters fucking idiots, only those who continue to talk about magic Brexit beans in the face of insurmountable evidence to the contrary.
Surely an intellectual such as yourself would agree that clinging to a discredited position in the face of overwhelming evidence is not very smart?
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You are funny. Keep throwing that bait outâŚ.
Have I moved the goalposts? You made the claim that they lied, I responded directly to the claims of lies.
Hereâs a definition of lying: âto say or write something that is not true in order to deceive someoneâ.
I would like you to demonstrate where this has occurred so I can investigate the claims. Not so hard, is it?
Exactly, some of us like being challenged, so show us those lies.
I am? Iâm challenging the premises of peopleâs opinions?
I must have missed where Brexit didnât actually happen after all.
You could, but that would demonstrate the depths of your ignorance. There are many clear reasons to believe that the Brexit vote was not campaigned for and subject to electoral manipulation, but feel free to keep your head in the sand.
Just like people voting Trump to âown the libtardsâ?
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Ok lets look at these.
Emergency budget. Well weâve just had one. Admittedly 8 years after but if youâve got a government hiding shit finances it was bound to happen at some point.
Housing market crash. Youâll have to tell us where this one has come from. You could be right on this one but housing is a topic all of its own.
Job losses inc. Financial sector. Combined the two here. The ukâs financial sector has lost 40,000 jobs post brexit. If you look at total job losses from brexit, the uk has 1.8m fewer jobs as a result of it.
The problem here is that leave didnt exactly say what leave meant. So when that debate started it was obvious people were going to object to it including those that voted leave but werent getting what they wanted.
If we look at Farage he went from celebrating to being angry at the prospect if a soft brexit, to naming Borisâs deal the best in the world through to the tories did not do brexit right.
So i dont think remain were far off the mark. Those that voted to leave simply refuse to see the actual truth here.
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