UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

[Noo_Noo]

[Mascot]

@Lynch04

So you agree, that despite the Country voting to leave, we did not need an emergency budget? we did not experience a housing market crash, major job losses, mass exodus of the Financial sector?

Mate. Brexit has been a shitshow. It’s costing the economy £100bn a year. It’s worth remembering that it’s been a choice of the government since 2016 to artificially protect the pound against the worst impacts of Brexit, but that’s come at the cost of the highest tax burden on record, and failing public services and a spiralling cost of living.

It is silly to suggest Brexit has been anything but a unmitigated disaster, and while individual prophecies may have been less on the mark, the bigger picture - the promise of a country where everyone feels poorer, everything costs more, and our influence on the world stage is diminished, has obviously come true.

Pretty much everything promised by leave proved to be a barefaced lie.

@Lynch04

So everyone who can be called an expert is telling you to vote remain, but then dismiss other voters of making their decision on a Google search.
Talk about making assumptions. ‘I voted remain and this was based on information provided by experts. Those who voted Leave are idiots, who have done a quick google search and think they know everything.

That isn’t what I said, is it.

For the things I don’t understand we’ll enough to form an opinion on, I rely on experts. And in the run up to the referendum there was nobody worthy of the title expert advising me to vote leave. I’m talking about academics, institutions and bodies of learned opinion. If you to form your opinions on international trade from the lad who runs Whetherspoons, that’s up to you.

@Lynch04

I think Remain lied when they said they would honour the outcome of the referendum. I suppose there is no better way to justify a point than by cutting your nose off.

What do you think the result of the referendum was?

A lot of the parliamentary process led and supported by Remain MPs was about running the process through Parliament and leaving on the best terms possible.

Once the result was leave, there needed to be a process to work the best form of leaving for the country. It was notable that all the cunts promising people they could safely vote remain and it wouldn’t mean leaving the single market started gaslighting the nation that what they actually voted for was a hard leave and default to WTO rules position. Almost as if they had a hidden agenda or something.

[redalways]

Look, people knew what they were voting for…

[WeeJoe]

Probably best to ignore people that can’t own their own opinions. They make nonsense arguments that ‘others might say’ then demand evidence for the blatantly fucking obvious

[Klopptimist]

@Noo_Noo

Those that voted to leave simply refuse to see the actual truth here.

You know the saying “taring everybody with the same brush?”

[Klopptimist]

On a fundamental level, some of us did yes.

[jaffod]

@redalways

Look, people knew what they were voting for…

I’ve got no dog in this race, didn’t vote because to me it was a choice between a bowl of cold spew or a shit sandwich but this argument always makes me laugh.
Truth is, especially in Great Britain (stop laughing at the back) this is true of any election as the vast majority of the electorate are pig-ignorant, uninformed fuckwits. This would have been the case at the last GE and will be the case at the next one.

[Noo_Noo]

@Klopptimist

@Noo_Noo

Those that voted to leave simply refuse to see the actual truth here.

You know the saying “taring everybody with the same brush?”

Only those that refuse to see brexit for the shit show it was, still is.

[Noo_Noo]

Yeah but brexit was special

It was like you not liking the colour of the decor in your living room and deciding to burn your house down to fix it.

[cynicaloldgit]

Yeah, but at least it was your choice to burn down your house.

[Noo_Noo]

Yes but you’ll moan that it didn’t burn the way you wanted it to.

[cynicaloldgit]

Burning means burning.

[Limiescouse]

Yeah, I and everyone I know voted for a hard burn.

[Noo_Noo]

Apparently not;

Referencing a famous Monty Python cafe scene, there’s a soft burn, cold burn, deep burn, fast burn, smokey burn, heart burn, spice burn, acid burn, manganese burn, phosphorus burn, zun burn, chemical burn, Chinese burn, carpet burn, embarrassing burn, burn out, burnt toast and to top it all scorchio.

[Lynch04]

@redalways

@Lynch04

I think Remain lied when they said they would honour the outcome of the referendum. I suppose there is no better way to justify a point than by cutting your nose off.

I must have missed where Brexit didn’t actually happen after all.

You’re twisting my point to suit your argument, again….Brexit did happen but not with standing a lot opposition from people who were doing everything to stop it. Remainers still want a second referendum. That’s not a sign of acceptance.

@redalways

@Lynch04

I could say that people who, after 8 years of a democratic vote, are still bitching, crying, calling foul is a fucking idiot. But I won’t because that is unfair, especially as I don’t know their circumstances.

You could, but that would demonstrate the depths of your ignorance. There are many clear reasons to believe that the Brexit vote was not campaigned for and subject to electoral manipulation, but feel free to keep your head in the sand.

You really need to understand irony and Sarcasm. It’s okay for people on this forum to call me an idiot and I suppose because their views align with yours it’s not considered ignorant?

Electoral manipulation…

[Klopptimist]

I do find it amusing that this forum has so many intelligent posters who call the general public idiots, fuckwits, fools, gullible, morons etc etc. Usually because their politics differ. Well done you big brained folks.

[Lynch04]

@Mascot

@Lynch04

So you agree, that despite the Country voting to leave, we did not need an emergency budget? we did not experience a housing market crash, major job losses, mass exodus of the Financial sector?

Mate. Brexit has been a shitshow. It’s costing the economy £100bn a year. It’s worth remembering that it’s been a choice of the government since 2016 to artificially protect the pound against the worst impacts of Brexit, but that’s come at the cost of the highest tax burden on record, and failing public services and a spiralling cost of living.

It is silly to suggest Brexit has been anything but a unmitigated disaster, and while individual prophecies may have been less on the mark, the bigger picture - the promise of a country where everyone feels poorer, everything costs more, and our influence on the world stage is diminished, has obviously come true.

Pretty much everything promised by leave proved to be a barefaced lie.

Mate, where have I stated Brexit has been a success? Please, quote me. If you can fair enough. So that pretty much dismisses most of this statement.

Can you please provide facts to your £100bn a year claim. Thanks.

@Mascot

@Lynch04

So everyone who can be called an expert is telling you to vote remain, but then dismiss other voters of making their decision on a Google search.
Talk about making assumptions. ‘I voted remain and this was based on information provided by experts. Those who voted Leave are idiots, who have done a quick google search and think they know everything.

That isn’t what I said, is it.

For the things I don’t understand we’ll enough to form an opinion on, I rely on experts. And in the run up to the referendum there was nobody worthy of the title expert advising me to vote leave. I’m talking about academics, institutions and bodies of learned opinion. If you to form your opinions on international trade from the lad who runs Whetherspoons, that’s up to you.

But do you see the difference in your accusation? Yes, no one knows every thing. I respect the fact that you acknowledge this and have tried to understand, educate yourself in this area. However, you follow this up by assuming people who voted leave read a story on Google and formed their opinion from this. You are forming your argument on the fact that you have listened to experts, enough to form an educated opinion but then dismiss people opposing your view as not going to the same lengths as you to form an opinion, making there mind up on some misgivings from a breakfast menu at Wetherspoons.

Do you not see where I am coming from? I am not saying you or are wrong or right but I am willing to give you a level playing field in your right to form an opinion. I am not shooting your opinion down, dismissing it, so why do you?

[Lynch04]

@redalways

@Lynch04

Mate, why don’t you actually try responding directly. Why should I waste my time trying to find a list of sources to my claims when you will just move the goalposts of the debate.

Have I moved the goalposts? You made the claim that they lied, I responded directly to the claims of lies.

Here’s a definition of lying: “to say or write something that is not true in order to deceive someone”.

I would like you to demonstrate where this has occurred so I can investigate the claims. Not so hard, is it?

You consistently move the goal posts. Fail to respond directly to my points and then have the audacity to ask me to demonstrate where things have occurred so you can investigate the claims. Technically, my points regarding the Remain statements are on the basis they have not occurred, so the onus is on you to prove they have occurred.

For simplicity, shall we deal with one issue at a time?

Let’s start with an easy one. From the Left Wing Guardian, a statement made by George Osbourne.

“In the long term, the country and the people in the country are going to be poorer. That affects the value of people’s homes and the Treasury analysis shows that there would be a hit to the value of people’s homes by at least 10% and up to 18%.”

So……. Did this happen?

[Lynch04]

@Klopptimist

I do find it amusing that this forum has so many intelligent posters who call the general public idiots, fuckwits, fools, gullible, morons etc etc. Usually because their politics differ.

This is it in a nutshell.

[Lynch04]

@Noo_Noo

Yeah but Remain was special

It was like you not liking the outcome of the family decision on the decor of your living room and deciding to decorate it so badly it would never look good just to prove a point

Fixed it for you