With Trump’s impending second term of office. I think he will abit more shrewd, but who knows what will happen. I do think many governments, especially in Europe will be wary of him and may be more closer knit with their European allies.
Okay, I have a soft spot for him. I suppose he had to follow the US government policies of the time, even if he didn’t agree with them.
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its a shame this is the accepted norm…wont even be challenged.
he has to be listened to, to the extent that everyone else with one vote needs to be listened to.
money shouldnt be a defining factor…i understand the subtlty here…he’s politcally active and has a platform so he CAN be listened to…but he doesnt and cannot DEMAND an audience in what is basically an institution owned and run by the nations people
i think thats one of the reasons he makes the skin crawl…he has no perspective that what he is doing is a priviledge, and an honour to be so close to the process…he acts like (as per @Limiescouse theories) because he made squillions hes somehow superior and deserves a greater audience…and the public should be THANKFUL to him for guiding it in the right direction…because…yknow…i made lots of moneys…
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I agree to a certain extent, but unfortunately that’s society no matter what your political leaning is.
The problem is that people commonly decide who is to be believed based on their views. Everyone with one vote determines Government, determined the outcome of Brexit, yet it is common for people to call them stupid and suggest numerous reasons as to why they weren’t intelligent enough to vote correctly.
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What else ae you supposed to go on? Your comment is classic MAGA. “He didn’t mean it that way”. Plus he’s a fascist. I dont want anything to fo with him.
I don’t perceive anything, i know exactly what he is. I don’t like him because he is another fascist hidden in plain sight. In my mind there is no plsce for extremism. His performance while an EU MP said enough. The stunts he pulled during the brexit run up snd afterwards exposed the rotten core of the guy.
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We’ll see. Considering they just voted down on funding for cancer research for kids, i dont think we have to wait that long.
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My comment is classic Maga, really 
. I suppose it is when you twist it and mis-quote it. It is actually a million miles away from what I said.
Guess what, he may well be a facist, but it doesn’t matter whether you want anything to do with him. You may not want to deal with Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, North Korea or Man Utd. Fans because their views differ to yours but guess what, sometimes you have to put aside your own views for the better of others.
You do perceive, you perceive that the UK won’t get a good trade deal with the US because Trump previously mentioned the NHS, you perceive that Farage is all about himself and would put the interests of the UK second to his owns.
You may well be right but you are basing your defence on the fact you don’t like them as human beings, which is why I originally asked to remove the party and the individual from your decision making. Sadly, even when speaking hypothetically, you have so much resentment you are making decisions based on your own feelings. Maybe you and Farage aren’t so different….
I didn’t realise that you were serious when you asked your question.
Ok, as others have stated, NF has never shown himself to have the interests of the UK as a priority. He is only interested in promoting himself. He has his nose far up Trump’s arse. This is a bad position for negotiation. It’s impossible to conceive of a situation in which he could help to negotiate a positive deal for Britain.
Of course, there are situations where cross party cooperation can be useful, but this isn’t one of them. It would require both parties to be genuine, and to have a strong position in the negotiation. Asking Farage to deal with Trump would be worse than asking Corbyn to deal with Putin. Once someone is ideologically that close to the person you want to negotiate with, they are bound to over compromise.
The UK, and every other nation, needs to stand up to Trump’s bullying tactics, call his bluff, and defend its interests vigorously.
The government would also be well advised to reject NF for domestic political reasons. If he is able to claim that he is involved in trade deals with the US, it will strengthen him and his party, and that’s something that Starmer can ill afford. It’s highly unlikely that he would have a positive effect on any deal for the reasons above and because, like Trump, he’s not a politician who likes to get involved in the nitty gritty of international diplomacy. All he would do is grandstand, which helps no one, least of all the UK government.
All round its a lose-lose for Labour and that’s why I don’t understand why they’d even consider it.
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No worries. In hindsight I kind of wish I never asked the question, as people could not remove NF from their response 
- my bad.
I understand the points you raised in your post, even if some are based on your opinion of him.
I agree that it is right to be sceptical but my understanding is that he won’t be making the policies or agreeing to anything, he would be there as an intermediary.
Anyhow, I don’t see it happening, I guess we will see 
Exactly. You wouldn’t expect him to read the detailed paperwork involved. He’d be there to take the credit or to blame others. Either way, it would be all about him.
Of course my opinion about him will affect my view, but, as I mentioned, I’d be as concerned about a pro Putin politician dealing with Russia, or a Xi fan dealing with China.
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You’re being very disingenuous here. @Noo_Noo has a really good point that Farage has an extensive record by now. Pretending that didn’t exist is just your wilfully turning a blind eye to it.
It’s just like if @Mascot were to pretend that Starmer is a radical left-winger. It just doesn’t work given the track records.
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Which is why I have always said democracy doesn’t work and leaders should be decided in a battle royal last man standing type of fight to the death.
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Trump vs Harris would have ended the same.
Quite likely, but I imagine Trump would have likely rolled over and carked it straight after due to having to do some actual exercise.
But by throwing in all the other candidates that also stood in the primaries, there is always the chance of an outsider coming through with a surprise win
Having recently seen something about Harris being a proud gun owner, I think that’s not as likely as you think it is…
Guns dont scare Trump.
He grew a new ear within days of having his shot
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I still think a heart attack would be the more likely chance of killing him.
Or maybe he just shits himself to death
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He can’t sh*t himself, he’s too constipated.
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That’s why his shit comes out the other end eh @Maria :0)
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It really is. People have been bending over backwards to excuse the rascist and other crap he has said. Your comments are pretty much in line with that. Some lame attempt at giving Trump the benefit of the doubt.
No good deal with Farage is possible. The pair will bend over backwards to enrich themselves at the UK’s expense. As others have stated.
I know this because of Farage’s history. He never showed up to fishery meetings in the EU but boasted about delivering a great brexit dream fir them. The industry has been decimated. At best it showed a huge misunderstsnfing of how the industry worked, or more than likely he threw them under the literal bus.
Secondly, he was all over the Boris deal saying it was the best deal possible. When the reality hit, it was really crap all of a sudden.
Farage’s only answer to any UK problem is immigrants. Farage is a populist offering simple solutions to complex problems that invariably fail.
This really isnt opinion. You might think it is but there’s enough of Farage being what he is to state otherwise.
The thing with both Farage and Trump is they are both extremists hiding in plain sight and by playing the working people and corrupt institutions cards people ignore the obvious.
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