Thanks. Far more eloquent than my ramblings
Thatās a false equivalence. Farage is not a centre right candidate.
He is an amoral, self-serving grifter, using quasi-fascist posturing to push an aggressive neo-liberal economic policy based on low taxation for the super rich, low regulation and corporate control of every public resource.
Find what ever the equivalent of that is on the left for your analogy to work, and we can answer the question.
The answer, by the way, would be a similar āthanks, but no thanksā that Farage gets.
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When you realise you voted for somebody who not only had no fucking clue but surrounds himself with others with the square root of fuck all intelligence.
Employ Musk, heāll get it going (and be hated for it)
Seems like it is a systemic issue with the family courts, and the way domestic abuse cases are handled in general.
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How do you like your immigration again? Is that easy, oven baked or on fire?
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You voted in a series of Tory governments that chose ministers based on how much of a favour the PM owed them. A number of them mentioned how they were wholly unqualified for the jobs they were given.
Given that you have voted for those people again and again, I can only assume this is how you like your cabinet dished up.
Well done for Starmer for asking the experts. Itās so refreshing for a UK leader to want to instigate change instead of winging each 4 year parliamentary cycle hoping to keep the status quo.
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We need strong decisive leadership. Like ignoring all the experts and letting a virus tear through the population unchecked. Or dragging us out of the EU without a plan to mitigate the economic fallout. Or spending millions trying to send immigrants to Rwanda, despite being repeatedly told it would be illegal. That kind of leadership.
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TBH, this is standard for most ministers. Usually you are hoping that they actually understand what their own governmentās policy is. The really clueless ones are those that try to micromanage.
Iām wondering if Starmer is hoping that the experts tell him to align with all EU regulations so he can claim that it will make Brexit work.
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As opposed to a number being wholly unqualified, but thinking they are field experts?
Equally dangerous
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I may be wrong but I think the suggestion of his involvement has been over exaggerated. My interpretation was, Labour set out privately what their expectations/fall back position is, Mandelson and his party then engage with the US equivalent and Farage is purely there as an intermediary. Labour use him, yeah, he can try and claim anything afterwards but surely it is in his best interests to help achieve a good deal to help his own political goals.
The hesitation I would have, is that if there is an impasse, he may use it as an opportunity to attack Labour, for refusing to take his advice, being unrealistic.
You have contradicted yourself and ended up agreeing with me. Lovely.
He wonāt be substantively involved in the detail, but will take every opportunity to tell people that heās the only one that Trump trusts and so heās very important and a great world statesman etc.
If it succeeds, itās all because of him.
If it fails, itās the fault of Labour.
Thankfully, the idea seems to have been rightly rejected.
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It really wasnāt, I was pointing out the facts. Did he make that statement in the past? Yes he did, or words to that effect. Has he said it in his election campaign or since he won the election? No.
Iām not excusing him, he may well turn round and demand the same thing. Which is why I followed up with, āso what Trump wants Trump getsā. So where is my bending over backwards, suggesting he didnāt mean it in that way? Exactly. You then throw out a loose comment like āthatās a typical MAGA commentā to undermine my side of the debate.
Point still stands, Trump is president in waiting, whether it only be your opinion, or the whole of the UKās in that he is a racist, moron, criminal, etc, to broker a Trade deal, involved dealing with him in some format.
Why donāt you call out Mandelson thenā¦.
I donāt think I have contradicted myself to share some concerns about what may happen. If I have contradicted myself in your opinion then so be it.
I said from the start I am not suggesting it should happen, even tried to remove the party and individual from the equation, but hey, well done you 
I think the first part of your post is speculative, especially without facts.
However, I have no objection with Labour or any other Government asking people in the relevant sectors about how they can improve the fortunes of that sector. As you implied, it is best to ask people with skills/knowledge/experience in that sector, reflect and make and decision based on that.
And I thought you were pro-EU/EC?
Does anyone think that the security services would allow Farage anywhere near our diplomatic service?
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The UK hasnt a trade deal with the US since year dot. There seems to be some RW fascination that the UK pursues one with great haste. Why? Flog off the NHS imo. Open it to the US health system which is failing people. I wouldnt go near a trade deal with them while Trump is there. Being professional etc. Fine. Trade deal? No.
Being brutally honest i know the name not the person or his reputation. Iāll look it upā¦
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Havenāt they allowed some Chinese spies that access over the years ?
Sure would be interesting to see who else heās been curculating with.
Sorry, but you donāt get to do that shit.
The EU has lots of criticism that it leans to much into a neoliberal ideology, but in that regard it simply is an expression of the prevailing economic character of the states that make it up.
But even at its worst, the EU is nowhere near the economic hellscape that Farage represents. For example one of the big drivers for the megarich getting behind Brexit was that the EU have long held plans to cooperate on tax avoidance.
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