The only “benefit” I could see is avoiding regulation, which is different, but leads to a similar outcome.
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Are you for real? Look, reinterpret it in what ever way you want.
So, to confirm, is there a increasing threat from Far Right parties across Europe?
Do you want to read, and re-read, and re-read my post again? Because you don’t seem to understand it at all.
“reinterpret it in whatever way you want”, that sounds exactly like what you are trying to do. You keep claiming over and over again that I’ve been dismissive of the existence of the rise of the far right.
When the original post I made that you replied to was entirely about how the rise of the far-right was a manufactured crisis, because of sensationalism in the news, and the post in which you brought this up again in a reply to was literally about how the far-right are offering lies to amp up their popularity.
Do not reply to this again until you have read the original post over and over again to really understand what I was saying.
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For the sake of other forum members. Fine, I’m wrong. Let’s move on.
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I just read the context of what Musk was tweeting about, and Streeting can go fuck himself.
There are absolutely no circumstances under which the UK should be bending to this horrible shitstain on humanity.
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I agree, there was no reason to justify.
Musk has history for it, he called out one of the divers rescuing the trapped children as a Pedo.
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He made up a hateful lie because he wasn’t the centre of attention for 5 minutes.
When he is confronted with actual child abuse he is more than happy to turn a blind eye.
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Because theyvalways bring it up.
Better for commerce? Not necessarily. The Truss deal with Austrslia will be great for the UK wont it?
Yes, because he fucking said so. I cant be any clearer than that.
Just not gonna happen, like travelling at the speed of light.
Havent bothered. Too busy doing house and fsmily stuff.
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Yeah, I heard you first time round. I can’t be fucking any clearer than he said it 5 years ago. Iv included a link to the “Left wing” (embarrassing I have to differentiate) where it states he (Trump) was back peddling.
But yeah, you keep holding onto that fact and ignore the whole process of negotiating and the UK having a say in the matter.
True and we are lucky that political parties haven’t aligned. Biden said no deal while Brexit and Northern Ireland were a mess (still is).
Now a labour government with a far right US government. Its not for sale.
But should we end up with an extended Trump government in the US and Labour gone, it will be on the table.
In the eyes of the political right the NHS is a socialist construct that they dont want to pay for. All those poor unhealthy grunts and pensioners needing treatment all the time. We are not paying for someone else’s healthcare. Plus i’m guessing US pharma has long been frustrated that the NHS’s protected status on drug purchases hitting their profit margin.
So I’m not ignoring anything. Its good fortune thus far.
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Now that really is a claim. All part of the left’s narrative I suppose. Absolute fact that Trump is the second coming of Hitler and everybody who voted for him is a Nazi. It’s shit like this that helped to get him elected.
Yes, famously you need to be Nazi or the second coming of Hitler in order to be far right.
And that everyone voted for Trump to own the libs because they called him fascist.
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Bloody hell, we agree!
That it was a mistake for me to rise to your bait?
Yes.
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As I’ve said, I neither live under a bridge nor eat billy goats.
I think you grossly underestimate how fucked the country is. Not just in terms of 14 years of policy failures from the Tories, but just in terms of the levels of political ignorance that makes any kind of radical political thinking near impossible.
You said yourself that Labour are seven months in. And yet you seem to think that they should have fixed everything already. In that respect you are a bit like a lot of the public who are now getting frustrated that a Prime Minister who inherited probably the worst economic circumstances in living memory, in the most volatile political times, and with very little scope to intervene through the tax system or through borrowing, hasn’t put everything right again.
Ultimately, as long as we’re outside the EU we’re going to struggle. That’s the big elephant in the room and the massive drain on the economy. I don’t know if Starmer can pull us closer to the EU in terms of single market regulatory alignment with the fucking gammons losing their shit, but fingers crossed.
Yes, they could be bolder. They could be a lot more strident dealing with Musk. The could get on the front front with Reform, and try and attack Farage. But what people said they wanted was stability and calm for a bit. In between that there has been positive, progressive stuff from Labour but a big issue is that with the media (traditional and social) completely controlled by right wing bad faith actors, you don’t hear much about this.
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I’m reading James O’Brien’s book ‘How they broke Britain’ at the minute (it is really excellent - although I haven’t got to the chapter on Corbyn yet, which I suspect will be personally challenging) and a central theme in discussion on people like Trump, Farage, Johnson etc is how unequipped the mainstream was to deal with them.
They are absolutely far right - although in Johnson’s case through a kind of political expediency rather than personal conviction (he is more naturally liberal than is politics suggest, but his personal ambition causes his politics to bend to what he considers to be to the prevailing mood) and what has enabled them all, and dragged our Overton Window horribly and perhaps permanently to the right is almost polite refusal - within the media, Parliament, and public life a to call a spade a spade. To firstly enable them with curiosity and novelty value, and secondly once established in the mainstream, treat these extraordinary people as ordinary politicians.
Farage was created by the BBC. It was perverse fascination with him as a character, and also a mistaken belief (following the Iraq War battles with Labour - thanks Tony) that platforming him with was somehow the balanced thing to do. They put him in our homes and exposed his views.
So yes Trump is most definitely a far right politician. We need to frame him as this and not normalise his politics. Normal politicians don’t brag about sexually assaulting people, mock disabled people, threaten to have dissenters hospitalised, while pursuing insane economic programmes of poor to rich wealth movement. These are not normal times and we can’t keep acting as it they are.
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What makes you think he has changed his mind in the least? He has nominated Jameson Greer, Lighthizer’s past CoS and a protege of Navarro. Navarro penned the Project 2025 discussion of trade deals, which can be found here:
In which the Cato Institute’s “The Ideal U.S.-U.K. Free Trade Agreement” is cited approvingly.
https://www.cato.org/sites/ cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/ideal-us-uk-free-trade-agreement-executive-summary-update.pdf
That piece specifically identifies trade in all health services as an objective, specifically noting the need to eliminate non-tariff barriers.
The health sector is near top of the negotiating list.
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There is no value in debating someone who has no interest in honest discourse. Even the idea that the public will be able to see the charlatan’s pants being pulled down is folly because if the public was able to identify bullshit for being bullshit there wouldnt need to be a debate.
The whole “debate me, bro” idea is one of the worst trends that has come out of the online hetrodox truth speaking content creator sector because by its very existence it elevates the ideas of dipshits into something that justify being taken seriously.
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The collapse of the NHS has long been a goal of the American conservative moment. To them nothing could buttress the American status quo against calls for a more socialized approach at home than being able to point to failures of the world’s most famous socialized system. Any opportunity they have to actively help that happen they will take enthusiastically, and it is something we should assume is being worked towards the tighter the ties become between the conservative moments in the respective countries.
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